Comment on Hamas doesn't hold a monopoly on Palestinian terror

• Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  occupying forces should simply end occupation

  But what exactly does that mean in this case? Like, what is the end result that you’re hoping would become reality.

  For me, this would mean Israel completely pulling out of the West Bank and Gaza and letting Palestine become an actual state. From that point on, they would cease hostilities and establish a no first use policy where one can only attack the other if it was attacked first. This is my ideal outcome as it gives both people self determination.

  None of their military actions is legal similar to Russia military operation on Ukraine army is illegal

  But we’re not talking about legality, we’re talking about the morality of using terrorism as a mean of achieving anything. The principle holds true regardless of conflict.

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  • rumimevlevi@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    But what exactly does that mean in this case? Like, what is the end result that you’re hoping would become reality.

    A one state solution would be the best solution. If not a two state solution, the problem with the two state solution is that Israel will kick out Arab Israelis from Israel and settlers will be kicked out from the west bank

    But we’re not talking about legality, we’re talking about the morality of using terrorism as a mean of achieving anything. The principle holds true regardless of conflict.

    Morality say that we should support the oppressed side . We can hold anybody who is responsible of war crimes and terrorists accountable once occupation end from both side

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    • Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      A one state solution would be the best solution. If not a two state solution, the problem with the two state solution is that Israel will kick out Arab Israelis from Israel and settlers will be kicked out from the west bank

      Oh, that is a good point. It’s crazy to think about, but a population exchange will end up displacing around 3 million people.

      The issue with the one state solution is that both sides reject living along side each other, let alone under the rule of the other. In order for a one state solution to work, both need to be able to accept coexistence and support full rights for all, but that’s a tall order considering how much they hate each other.

      I think we’re heading towards a single Israeli state that encompasses all the territory regardless. I just hope that the Israeli left will win out and use the country’s democratic institutions to push giving the Palestinians they annexed or will annex their full rights, and by doing so hopefully make the Palestinian population abandon the militant groups.

      Morality say that we should support the oppressed side. We can hold anybody who is responsible of war crimes and terrorists accountable once occupation end from both side

      I disagree. Morality isn’t about supporting sides, it’s about rejecting harmful behaviors universally. For example, we can both agree that Palestinians in Gaza are oppressed. But these people are facing layers oppression. Israel is oppressing them with an ethnic cleansing campaign, Egypt is adding on to it by helping enforce the blockade, Hamas and the other militant groups inside Gaza are piling on the oppression by ruling the strip with tyranny. These are all parties responsible for an immoral injustice against the same people, yet they are enemies. Supporting one over the other instead of opposing all of them is just helping perpetuate a cycle of oppression. What these people need is a clean slate, not a slightly less oppressive slate.

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      • rumimevlevi@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Even in case of a two state solution. Israel and palestine land is all connected nothing separate them. If you believe the two population don’t want peace then violence will still continue regardless of if it is a one state or two state

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