Comment on Apple just proved AI "reasoning" models like Claude, DeepSeek-R1, and o3-mini don't actually reason at all.

GaMEChld@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

• elbarto777@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  LLMs deal with tokens. Essentially, predicting a series of bytes.

  Humans do much, much, much, much, much, much, much more than that.

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  • Zexks@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    No. They don’t. We just call them proteins.

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    • stickly@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      You are either vastly overestimating the Language part of an LLM or simplifying human physiology back to the Greek’s Four Humours theory.

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      • Zexks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        No. I’m not. You’re nothing more than a protein based machine on a slow burn. You don’t even have control over your own decisions. This is a proven fact. You’re just an ad hoc justification machine.

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    • elbarto777@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      “They”.

      What are you?

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• skisnow@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I hate this analogy. As a throwaway whimsical quip it’d be fine, but it’s specious enough that I keep seeing it used earnestly by people who think that LLMs are in any way sentient or conscious, so it’s lowered my tolerance for it as a topic even if you did intend it flippantly.

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  • GaMEChld@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I don’t mean it to extol LLM’s but rather to denigrate humans. How many of us are self imprisoned in echo chambers so we can have our feelings validated to avoid the uncomfortable feeling of thinking critically and perhaps changing viewpoints?

    Humans have the ability to actually think, unlike LLM’s. But it’s frightening how far we’ll go to make sure we don’t.

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• joel_feila@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Thata why ceo love them. When your job is 90% spewing bs a machine that does that is impressive

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• SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Yeah I’ve always said the the flaw in Turing’s Imitation Game concept is that if an AI was indistinguishable from a human it wouldn’t prove it’s intelligent. Because humans are dumb as shit. Dumb enough to force one of the smartest people in the world take a ton of drugs which eventually killed him simply because he was gay.

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  • crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I’ve heard something along the lines of, “it’s not when computers can pass the Turing Test, it’s when they start failing it on purpose that’s the real problem.”

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  • jnod4@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I think that person had to choose between the drugs or hard core prison of the 1950s England where being a bit odd was enough to guarantee an incredibly difficult time as they say in England, I would’ve chosen the drugs as well hoping they would fix me, too bad without testosterone you’re going to be suicidal and depressed, I’d rather choose to keep my hair than to be horny all the time

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  • Zenith@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Yeah we’re so stupid we’ve figured out advanced maths, physics, built incredible skyscrapers and the LHC, we may as individuals be less or more intelligent but humans as a whole are incredibly intelligent

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