Comment on Hamas doesn't hold a monopoly on Palestinian terror

• Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  We have to make several distinctions.

  1. Just like how Hamas isn’t all Palestinians, the IDF isn’t all Israelis
  2. Israel has mandatory conscription so most adults in the country were in the military at one point or another
  3. Due to the previous point, calling all Israeli adults “IDF terrorists” is just as stupid and brainless as far right Zionists calling all male Palestinians above the age of 15 "Hamas terrorists"
  4. By extension attacking people who are not armed and uniformed is just an attack unarmed civilians

  So by using the above parameters, Israel and Palestine attacking each other is only ever justified when:

  1. They’re attacking a legitimate military target
  2. They’re not intentionally attacking or targeting civilians

  So for example, if a Palestinian group launched rockets at an IDF airbase that is being used to bomb Gaza, that would be a justified attack. However, if the same groups goes into an Israeli town and kills an entire family in their house because someone in there served in the IDF at some point is not justified. The same goes the other way, Israel bombing an actual Hamas weapons stash is justified, but them bombing a hospital is not.

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  • rumimevlevi@lemmings.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    We agree about civilians but occupying forces should simply end occupation. None of their military actions is legal similar to Russia military operation on Ukraine army is illegal

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    • Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      occupying forces should simply end occupation

      But what exactly does that mean in this case? Like, what is the end result that you’re hoping would become reality.

      For me, this would mean Israel completely pulling out of the West Bank and Gaza and letting Palestine become an actual state. From that point on, they would cease hostilities and establish a no first use policy where one can only attack the other if it was attacked first. This is my ideal outcome as it gives both people self determination.

      None of their military actions is legal similar to Russia military operation on Ukraine army is illegal

      But we’re not talking about legality, we’re talking about the morality of using terrorism as a mean of achieving anything. The principle holds true regardless of conflict.

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      • rumimevlevi@lemmings.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        But what exactly does that mean in this case? Like, what is the end result that you’re hoping would become reality.

        A one state solution would be the best solution. If not a two state solution, the problem with the two state solution is that Israel will kick out Arab Israelis from Israel and settlers will be kicked out from the west bank

        But we’re not talking about legality, we’re talking about the morality of using terrorism as a mean of achieving anything. The principle holds true regardless of conflict.

        Morality say that we should support the oppressed side . We can hold anybody who is responsible of war crimes and terrorists accountable once occupation end from both side

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  • stink@lemmygrad.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Except the people in those “israeli” towns are illegally occupying the land.

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