Comment on We Should Immediately Nationalize SpaceX and Starlink

• skulblaka@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  People paying for internet service don’t live in the Amazon rainforest

  source

  • CybranM@feddit.nu ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Maybe do a cursory Google search before being confidently incorrect

    source

    • skulblaka@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Fair enough, you got me there. Didn’t realize there was such a population of internet craving people in what’s supposed to be one of the last relatively untouched areas of nature on the planet.

      That being the case though, why didn’t this all happen in 2013, when O3b launched to specifically solve this problem for them? It’s still running, by the way, after several rounds of upgrades, and significantly more stable than Starlink with their dinky little 5 year disposables. Microsoft, Honeywell and Amazon all use it. But the original and ongoing intent of the project was explicitly to bring internet access to all otherwise unreachable areas, such as islands, deep in Africa, and the open ocean.

      I don’t oppose Brazilian villagers having internet if they want it, but the situation in which it arrived to them feels suspect to me. I have no proof that Starlink actively went out and pushed internet service onto them like a drug dealer but it would not be out of character for Musk and his subordinates to do so, and that just feels bad.

      Regardless there is already an existing solution to this. If you want internet in the Amazon you can use satellite internet. It does not have to be Starlink. If you want good internet, maybe don’t live in the Amazon. People in general should probably be leaving that place alone. The article you linked even talks about one of the village leaders splitting his time between the village and the city. We can try and run a fiber line to Manaus and/or Porto Velho and that should be able to serve a reasonably large enough area around them, but even if that fails there are already other solutions.

      source

      • CybranM@feddit.nu ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I agree with almost everything you wrote. Purely speculation but the starlink terminals might be cheaper? The latency/bandwidth would also be significantly worse with O3b since it’s in medium earth orbit compared to starlinks low earth orbit. “Regular” satellite internet is prohibitively expensive with even worse bandwidth/latency.

        I also agree that people shouldn’t be living in the Amazon but they are and we can’t really force them to leave.

        source