Comment on Why Decentralized Social Media Matters

• A_norny_mousse@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Reddit had a huge problem with moderators who banned without just cause

  And they now have a huge problem with bots & admins who ban “without just cause”. Except to them it’s no problem at all, it’s the desired shift towards more “marketability” I guess.

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• FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I feel like you didn’t even read my post, as every sentence you wrote was already addressed.

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  • Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Where did you address them? You just claim that

    almost every Lemmy instance is the same, many significantly worse in terms of how authoritarian they are

    Without any explanation for why that would be the case whereas I have not have at all had the same experience. Therefore, I don’t see how it relates to federated social media at all.

    Furthermore, you just state that

    some of us just want a place with zero bans and which unless you break the law with your speech, zero bans and moderation

    And to just “block them and move on”. Honestly, I don’t want my time using social media to be spent having to personally block multiple accounts (by people who will probably make more accounts) because they’re racists, misogynists, foreign bot farms, etc. Furthermore, I don’t want my content and my comments to be used, knowingly or otherwise, to prop up comment sections and threads that are spreading disinformation and bigotry.

    If you want that, that’s fine. Go to one of those places. But from what I’ve seen, they are usually where nazis end up congregating, which is one reason why me (and at least some other people) prefer to avoid them.

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    • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I addressed them first by saying that with decentralised there are just *more * mods who can and will ban you unfairly and with no recourse, and other mods/admin who literally get to decide what instances you can even see in the first place. Most of them just defederate from any instance that doesn’t highly censor views they don’t like. Many already decided to defederate from any meta instances that ever join the fediverse ffs.

      Lemmy moderation is even more authoritarian because of how Lemmy started in the first place, and then because of the mods who moved from Reddit to here. They hated that their power was taken away on Reddit so they jumped ship and now get to make their own rules without having to answer to Reddit admins.

      If you don’t ban people they don’t need to create multiple accounts. You just block and move on and they’ll continue doing their thing while you don’t see it. Win-win.

      You’re a typical “everyone I disagree with is a Nazi bigot” who craves censorship and authoritarian leadership because you can’t handle people having differing opinions by the looks of it. You talk as if “Nazis” are everywhere lol. If you can’t even be in the same virtual space as a “nazi” without losing your mind the issue is with you.

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      • Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        then because of the mods who moved from Reddit to here. They hated that their power was taken away on Reddit so they jumped ship and now get to make their own rules without having to answer to Reddit admins

        Combined with your earlier comments, this seems like saying that moderators only moved to Lemmy because they wanted more power which seems almost revisionist. Moderating is a shitty job, a lot of people do it just because they care about their online communities, and many moderators moved from Reddit to Lemmy specifically because they cared about their communities and how what Reddit was doing was ruining them.

        Most of them just defederate from any instance that doesn’t highly censor views they don’t like

        So, what is your alternative? We should force people to be on platforms that they don’t want and have to spend all day blocking people who thrives on antagonizing? You can just go on those other instances, you don’t have to interact with the ones that are, in your words, so authoritarian.

        If you don’t ban people they don’t need to create multiple accounts. You just block and move on and they’ll continue doing their thing while you don’t see it. Win-win.

        Why wouldn’t they create more accounts to get around the blocks? Not to mention other reasons for making more accounts, for example making it seem like your opinion has more widespread support than it actually does.

        You’re a typical “everyone I disagree with is a Nazi bigot” who craves censorship and authoritarian leadership because you can’t handle people having differing opinions by the looks of it

        And now it sounds like you ran out of things to say, so the only thing left is to try and discredit my character. I am fine with people having different opinions than I do, that’s how the world works, but it sounds to me like you’re suggesting that discussing income tax rates is the same as disagreeing with someone about whether genocide is acceptable or not. They’re not the same thing. Having good-faith discourse and pushing disinformation are not the same thing.

        It should be on the onus of the person being a dick to stop being a dick to get to interact with others in their communities, not for the people who aren’t being dicks to spend a bunch of their time and energy having to filter out all the dicks. If you disagree with that, you can whenever you want, go to a different community where people have the same opinion as you, but saying that people only want moderation because they can’t handle someone else’s opinion without “losing their minds” sounds disingenuous at best.

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