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SpicyColdFartChamber@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

Oh Wow, I am pretty sure in the 100 sq km of where I live, I am in the top 10 game of thrones weirdos, but I have never heard of this theory - specifically the part about the “Sentient Meteor” and “Bloodstone Island breaking the arm of Dorne”. That said, I like this part of the theory.

I know they did that, but I always thought it was limited to only a very few people.

Aeron Greyjoy

Ehh… The dude’s a misogynists as well, did the deep ones program that in him too or leave that in? People change after near death experiences, I am sure Martin is playing with that rule. But I can still see it.

Davos Seaworthy

That is an interesting… speculation - tenor.com/…/interesting-speculation-the-terror-re…

See, this one is just not believable.

He wakes up delirious and with an immediate driving compulsion to kill Melisandre, even though she had nothing to do with the deaths of his sons

People aren’t rational beings. He, of course, wouldn’t hurt his liege lord, but a foreign woman influencing your lord? She’s the perfect scapegoat for his monkey brains at that moment. Dude lost four sons, he has to cope with the fact that he willingly let them all go into battle for a man whose odds of becoming the king are very low.

It seems his personality change was the most minor and temporary, possibly because he drowned the least badly.

Also because I don’t like this fact. ‘Least Badly’ is not the modus operandi of the gods in ASOIAF. The magic in ASOIAF is cruel, weird, erratic, costly and full of mockery. I don’t think deep ones would just leave him like that. And I don’t think martin meant it and if he did, I’d chalk that up to “overwriting”. Though, he’s good at avoiding that. (so far)

That’s how GRRM writes, he repeats the same themes over and over with slight variations.

Sure there are aspects to this that I like, but I think it too often veers into the territory of “He is the chosen one” or “My brother is actually cold hands or the hound is the grave digger” for my tastes. The way GRRM executes the chosen one story line is the most interesting one out of all the other authors, but it still is a chosen one story line. I like things to be less connected, that gives the world a sense of massive scale and depth.

Thanks for the videos, I have something new to binge.

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Z_Poster365@hexbear.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
ACoK 58 (Davos III) is the relevant chapter here, the Battle of Blackwater Bay from Davos’ POV. The only time he mentions Melisandre is that he’s glad that Stannis left her behind because otherwise everyone would credit victory to her sorcery. After he drowns, he about faces and gets immediately pissed that Melisandre wasn’t there to save his family - which you could chalk up to hypocrisy from Davos, but you could also say is a distinct change in his opinions.

Davos recognizes during the battle that it was lost due to A) wildfire and B) the chain boom that Tyrion set up. Neither of these would indicate he should be mad at Melisandre for some reason.

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- SpicyColdFartChamber@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  
  Davos is consistently shown as probably the most rational man in Westeros with the best head on his shoulders. It’s out of place for him to act erratically, hypocritically and against the wishes of Stannis.
  
  But he had lost so many of his sons, that would change any man’s constitution. It’s a deeply traumatic event.
  
  Davos recognizes during the battle that it was lost due to A) wildfire and B) the chain boom that Tyrion set up. Neither of these would indicate he should be mad at Melisandre for some reason.
  
  True, I don’t remember it well enough. But, stranger things have happened, people look for things to blame after traumatic events even when there’s no one to blame.
  
  I’d say we can’t expect him to be perfect. Though I suppose, it could be possible. I’d have to read it again.
  
  Davos is middle aged, very comfortable with his identity, very secure in his family and loyalties. He is probably the hardest type of man to manipulate in this way until he goes through destabilizing grief.
  
  Hmmm, True that.
  
  But, like you said GRRM likes to repeat themes and such. I don’t see how insinuating that Davos may have been possessed affect the story line in anyway. But I suppose, that’s where Euron’s plot could come in.
  
  He sails to the Three Sisters, speaks with the Borrells about their 5000 year old fishy-person mark, goes to the Merling Court of the Manderlys (also definitely merling hybrids, anytime you see fat cannibals be on the lookout). The Manderlys even drop hints to Davos about Frey Pie and their cannibalism.
  
  See, now that part does make a little sense. I always thought those chapters felt like a different story. Why not skip to the Manderlys, why linger on the three sisters, right? (it could have been an effort to expand upon the world building, but story wise, it still feels weird)
  
  I guess you’ve convinced me that there’s something going on with the Davos plot. If Martin truly meant it, it would be interesting to see. I wonder what’s the skagos storyline going to be like and if Rickon will have something to do with the Deep ones. The skagosi are also known to be cannibals right? I wonder if there’s a connection between them and the deep ones. Some sort of feral mixed form of worship of the old gods and the deep ones.
  
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  - Z_Poster365@hexbear.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    I think Davos having a psychic link with the Deep Ones will come into play later on, he will receive frightful visions that try to convince him to do something that furthers the agenda of the Deep Ones.
    
    I think he will be vulnerable to this due to Stannis/Melisandre burning Shireen (which I do believe will happen), who Davos is very close to. Sacrificing children has always been his moral red line and this will drive him to do something extreme, perhaps guided by the Deep Ones.
    
    It makes sense that Patchface will be burned at the same time, as the only reason anyone suffers him to be around is because Shireen likes him.
    
    Do you see how these things are all wrapped up together?
    
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    SpicyColdFartChamber@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    The reference to dead things in water is definitely about white walkers and the hardhome shenanigans.
    
    But I do see the sacrifice happening, feels like such a significant plot point and very earned for the story so far. But I wonder who’ll do it. Stannis is all the way near winterfell.
    
    I’m not sure exactly what will happen but watch these 2 locations.
    
    I’d love to …if we had the books 😶‍🌫️
    
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Z_Poster365@hexbear.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
I would also add that Davos has the most Merling related content of any POV characted save maybe Briene. He sails to the Three Sisters, speaks with the Borrells about their 5000 year old fishy-person mark, goes to the Merling Court of the Manderlys (also definitely merling hybrids, anytime you see fat cannibals be on the lookout).

Brienne is the one who speaks with Nimble Dick and gets the lore dump on Merlings, as well as the one who fights Biter and gets her face eaten by him. Read that fight with Biter, it’s very obvious she’s not fighting with a human being. She’s jamming her armored gauntlet into his eyes and punching his face like 10 times and it does nothing to him whatsoever but is described as hitting a bit wet ball of dough. Brienne of Tarth shoving her armored gauntlets into your eyes should do something to most normal people.

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Z_Poster365@hexbear.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

People aren’t rational beings. He, of course, wouldn’t hurt his liege lord, but a foreign woman influencing your lord? She’s the perfect scapegoat for his monkey brains at that moment. Dude lost four sons, he has to cope with the fact that he willingly let them all go into battle for a man whose odds of becoming the king are very low.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but before he drowns he has no such compulsions to kill Melisandre even as the battle is going to shit and he witnesses the death of his sons. He knows this would be treasonous, and Davos would not commit treason. It’s only after the drowning that this compulsion arrives.

It seems his personality change was the most minor and temporary, possibly because he drowned the least badly.

Also because I don’t like this fact. ‘Least Badly’ is not the modus operandi of the gods in ASOIAF. The magic in ASOIAF is cruel, weird, erratic, costly and full of mockery. I don’t think deep ones would just leave him like that. And I don’t think martin meant it and if he did, I’d chalk that up to “overwriting”. Though, he’s good at avoiding that. (so far)

I would update my theory a bit here and word it better. I instead posit the severity of personality change has to do with how strong of a identity/ego the person had before drowning. Similar to how hard it is to warg a human vs. a Hodor (because Hodor has been “emptied out” of ego/identity. Patchface was a child who was raised as a slave, hence why he was totally wiped and made full Deep Ones thrall. Aeron was 16 and still a youth, but a bit more developed in his identity as a Greyjoy. He also had a surrounding culture of Deep Ones worship to calibrate himself to, a context in which his hallucinations and delusions made sense and in fact were revered by others. Patchface is mocked and seen as crazy, Aeron is seen as prophetic and wise because of where he is.

Davos is middle aged, very comfortable with his identity, very secure in his family and loyalties. He is probably the hardest type of man to manipulate in this way until he goes through destabilizing grief.

I don’t think the Deep Ones “Mind Control” directly per se, they seem to instead implant images and visions and manipulate people in the same way that say, Rh’llor manipulates Melisandre or the Three Eyed Raven manipulates Brann. The drowning just creates the psychic link that allows the transfer of these images.

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