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Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks agoThe transformation of Powerfull vs Powerless way of fighting inequality into a miriad of split identitarian fights which claim that people’s victims or aggressor status is wholly defned by the genetics they were born with (rather than, you know, actually being victimized or chosing to victimize others) which naturally ended up with the oppressed fighting amongst themselves as competing “identities” for the crumbs from the Powerful absolutelly is a modern phenomenon.
If you want to see the old style, just look at how traditional Unions still left in positions of relative strenght operate: they don’t fight for different salary and work condition improvements for people with different genders, skin colors or sexual orientation, the fight as all the workers vs the bosses.
Everyone being equal sounds great and all. Show me a left wing country that’s achieved it.
Show me a country were Identity Politics has merelly just reduced Inequality (as defined by the Gini Coeficient) since it became fashionable (so, the last 3 decades).
From what I can see, the countries with the most and loudest Identity Politics are the ones going in the exact opposite direction - higher inequality, collapsing social mobility - like the UK and the US. It’s “curious” that after the powerless fighting as a group against the powerfull were fragmented into different “identities” based on their genetics, each fighting for their “own” group rather than all together, the powerful have managed to capture an ever increasing share of the wealth and the median quality of live has even started going down.
As for your quoting tankies as examples of “left”, well, tankies are fucking authoritarians, so if you’re expecting they’re following the actual principles of being Leftwing rather than mindlessly parroting some Soviet slogans or whatnot and thinking Stalin was a great man, you are seriously deluded or ill informed.
It’s funny that people like you defending Identity Politics have a view of what is Leftwing that is basically the Red Scare. You’re helping prove my point.
peregrin5@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
You claim that each group fighting for their own unique needs and rights is some how splintering our unity. You do know intersectionality is a thing. Just because I’m for gay rights doesn’t mean I’m against black rights. Each group has their own unique needs and there is some interplay between them but there is absolutely not shame or downside to communicating those unique needs.
What you claim sounds very similar to an argument I often hear from right-wingers. “Gays and Lesbians already have equal rights. They have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex just like everyone else.”
There is a difference between equality and equity.
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You claim that is the fault of minoritues demanding equal rights that inequality in wealth has risen rather than put the blame squarely where it’s deserved: the right wing, and people who couldn’t be bothered to vote against the right wing.
You claim that “leftists” are that different from tankies but judging by your own rhetoric, I’d say they are quite the same.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Nice neoliberal propaganda picture.
The actual Leftwing solution would be to remove the fence.
Also you’re “curiously” bypassing the whole “deeming people victims or oppressors based on the genetics they were born with rather than actually being victimized or victimizing others” part of my argument, which just so happens to be the core of it.
Leftwingers (and Humanists) help people based on their actual need, fight against any unjust treatment (not just for some identities but not others) and force the actual aggressors to compensate the actual victims for what they did to them, not give excuses for the aggressors or ignoring the victims because of their respective identities (unlike what’s so poignantly illustrated by the way the Democrat Party in the US has treated aggressors and victims in the Gaza Genocide).
So even in that propaganda picture of yours were the Ticket-buying Inducing fence stays up, the person on a wheelchair would get help under traditional Leftwing thinking because they have an actual need for it, not because of, say, being old - if they’re old but have no such need (say, a very wealthy person who had a very good life with proper food and living conditions so they did not end up on a wheelchair) they don’t get a wheelchair ramp merely for being old - and similarly a person who is not old (and hence not in an identity deemed in need by Identity Politics) and yet is on a wheelchair also gets a wheelchair ramp under Leftwing thinking because they too have a need, which is all that matters, not whatever identity label has been given to them.
So even in the Capitalist environment where that fence stays up, Leftwingers would help those who need help because they need help, whilst the Identity Politics warriors would be deciding if they would at all get help and how much help those who do get help would get, based on their identity rather than their actual personal need.