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tomi000@lemmy.world 4 days agothe amount of self righteousness and lack of empathy from some non smokers really makes me glad that I will never have to hang out with those types of people.
Youre seriously trying to guilt trip non-smokers here? Sure, addiction is horrible and some people are really struggling, but the majority of smokers I know dont give a shit that theyre actively killing others by blowing smoke into their faces on the street. Its ignorant and toxic behavior which is tolerated because of decades of brainwashing by the industry.
I have very little empathy for people who choose hurting others for their own convenience. Maybe start with empathy for poor people that struggle surviving because they are being exploited, or people that are systemically suppressed, then move on to empathy for smokers and other criminals.
weird you ask for people to have empathy for poor and struggling people but then hate on smokers when those people are almost always smokers themselves - genuinely you’ll be hard pressed to find a struggling person that doesn’t smoke
maybe there’s something more to knowingly poising oneself for the fleeting feeling of control and comfort that doesn’t have anything to do with “people who choose hurting others for their own convenience”?
I understand your point, but Id say empathy is not tied to a person but more to a topic or situation. So while the two sets of people might intersect, (my) empathy for them originates from the topic theyre associated with. I would say I have empathy for people struggling and at the same time, I dont have empathy for people giving others cancer. Some of them might be the same people and I have empathy for part of them and not for another. I dont know if Im wording it well and maybe Im misusing the term.
Also, I specifically worded it like that to not include all smokers, because like I said many are struggling with their addiction, but its not a majority from my experience. And yes, the tobacco industry is to blame for normalising smoking over the decades, but educating yourself, especially when it comes to drug use, is everyones responsibility.
Like I said I know a lot of smokers and many of them just dont give a fuck about how it affects others, but Im not saying that makes them bad people period. Its a part of them I dont like and there are other parts that I like. Just like I do lots of stuff that others probably dont like about me.
I might need to reread my comment because it probably sounded like I hated the people themselves for one of their habits, which is not what I was trying to say but I have pretty strong feelings when it comes to smoking.
I appreciate you explaining your point - I guess I was just trying to say that smokers generally don’t smoke just to spite/give others cancer - and that it’s usually a coping strategy - and sure that’s not always the case and there are rich and well off smokers as well
I guess I just wanted to note that most smokers don’t choose to smoke but do it because they’re addicted - not just to the nicotine but also to the feeling of control to immediately calm yourself down (I’m not saying its a healthy or sustainable coping mechanism but an understandable one)
Yes, Im well aware that giving people cancer is not the main goal of smokers, but its a byproduct most are willing to ignore (there are many alternatives that dont produce second hand smoke). And at the end of the day, the outcome doesnt change whether they do it intentionally or not.
Would you like me to analyze your ethical decisions and judge you publicly? I am certain we can find some unethical behaviors that you partake in every day that hurt the environment and the people around you. I don’t have time in my day. It’s just a really weird thing to pick out and have a moral battle with. It’s a personal choice. It’s an addiction. There’s plenty of bad people out there. The cigarette smokers are not trying to hurt you intentionally.
Would you like me to analyze your ethical decisions and judge you publicly? I am certain we can find some unethical behaviors that you partake in every day that hurt the environment and the people around you.
I know there is and it is perfectly valid to judge me for those things, just like I am judging others for their hurtful choices. Im not saying all smokers are bad people per se, like I said I know a lot of them and thats a part of them I dont like just like there are parts of me they dont like.
It’s just a really weird thing to pick out and have a moral battle with. It’s a personal choice. It’s an addiction. There’s plenty of bad people out there.
That is some major whataboutism and Im pretty sure you know that.
The cigarette smokers are not trying to hurt you intentionally.
Usually intention doesnt play a role when hurting people. Unfortunately slowly hurting them over many years doesnt count.
Wolf@lemmy.today 4 days ago
I’m not trying to guilt trip anyone. The self righteous superior people clearly dgaf what I think and the feeling is mutual.
Ah yes, the age old tradition of going up to a non smoker and blowing smoke directly in their faces. Fun times.
I’ve been a smoker for a very long time and I’ve never seen that happen, unless you count shotgunning cannabis, and that was always consensual.
Let’s get real for just a second. What you actually mean is occasionally you catch a whiff of cigarette smoke while outside. I’m sure you don’t go stand next to smoker, and I’m positive that they don’t “blow smoke into your face”.
Even in my backwards ass state, you can’t smoke indoors in public places, so it must be outside.
If you are so concerned about your health that you think simply smelling cigarette smoke and walking away will kill you, I sure hope you never leave the house, attend a BBQ, or go camping, because you will likely be exposed to other smells just as likely to kill you as that.
That much is clear
Who says I don’t? Who says I don’t fall into those categories myself? Having empathy for one group of people does not preclude you from having empathy for others. I’ve never shot heroin or smoked crack, but I feel bad for people struggling with those addictions.
I don’t condone smoking indoors where non smokers live or around non smokers if they are outdoors and can’t walk away for some reason, I just don’t think someone should be treated as if they are human excrement simply because they are a smoker. You don’t agree, that’s fine as long as I’m not forced to be around you or have to listen to your sermons.
tomi000@lemmy.world 4 days ago
There you go again with the fucking victim role and guilt tripping. Dont even need to read the rest of your bullshit. Maybe think about if your attitude plays a role in your miserable life.
Wolf@lemmy.today 4 days ago
Once again, I’m not guilt tripping anyone. I’m just stating facts. If you don’t think your post comes off as self righteous and superior, I’m not sure you know what those words mean. I also never claimed to be a victim.
You had zero sympathy in the first place, you said it yourself, and once again I really don’t give a single fuck what you think of me. I don’t know how I can make that any more clear to you.
I have read up on second hand smoke, which is why I don’t smoke around other people. I rarely even see other people unless I’m shopping, and you can’t smoke in stores.
If you think that the studies on second hand smoke say that simply catching a whiff of cigarette smoke every once in a while will instantly kill you, you should probably reread them. Those were about prolonged exposure in confined areas, not walking past some dude on the street.
We’ve already established how you are perfect and completely flawless in every way. I’m sure your sanctimonious attitude contributes to a perfect life full of joy and happiness. Good for you.