It would be handy for piracy to always know your friend’s IP addresses. Like friend-to-friend networks like Retroshare
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Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 3 weeks agoThere’s pretty much no use for a normal person, just for business and power users like the person above you.
For your couple examples, nobody at home actually runs VOIP except a couple nerds just like nobody has home phones except a couple of old people. And quick game servers don’t need statics, and if you are hosting something long term that would push you into the power use space.
twice_hatch@midwest.social 3 weeks ago
Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
And having a friend-to-friend piracy network absolutely pushes you into “power user” territory lmfao
frezik@midwest.social 3 weeks ago
Plenty of people used Skype and Vonage. Both were subverted because they have to assume NAT is there.
But they do work better without NAT. That’s somewhat separate from static addresses.
My old roommate and I had tons of problems back in the day when we tried to host an Internet game of C&C: Generals behind the same NAT. I couldn’t connect to him. He couldn’t connect to me. We could connect to each other but nobody outside could. It’s a real problem that’s only been “solved” because a lot of games have moved to publisher-hosted servers. Which has its own issues with longevity.
sugarfoot00@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Fyi, Skype was officially killed by Microsoft on May 5th, earlier this month.
Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
As far as I’m aware Skype does not support actual VOIP calling anymore, at least according to Microsoft and the couple forums i just skimmed through. But it’s been probably 10+ years since I’ve actually used it or interacted with anyone who used it haha
And I was talking about static IPs, which are different. And at least in the US (in single family homes) its crazy unlikely that your router is behind any NAT. Unless you’re talking about CGNAT but anything short of a dedicated fiber run or dedicated wavelength (which are not options for residential people) you will be behind a CGNAT anyways. Even if you have a public IP.
frezik@midwest.social 3 weeks ago
Skype won’t be supporting anything at all very soon.
What happened with Vonage is something that could happen with any kind of instant messaging, including things like Discord.
With everything directly addressable (not just static addresses, but directly addressable), an IM/VoIP service can simply connect to the recipient. No servers are necessary in between, only routers. That doesn’t work with NAT (CG or otherwise), so what you have to do is create a server that everyone connects into, and then that forwards messages to the endpoint. This is:
This is largely invisible to end users until free services get enshittified or something goes wrong.
Yes, it’s only tangentially related to static addresses, but it’s all part of the package. This is not the Internet we should have had.
Your router has NAT. That’s the problem. CGNAT is another problem. My C&C: Generals issues did not have CGNAT.
Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
All routers have NAT, that’s sort of their entire role. Are you maybe talking about “double NATing” where you have your router behind the ISP modem/router?