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but that was shameful, and completely undermines their cause

You realise that there is no form of militant resistance that Hamas could engage in that would not be framed like this? Because Israel and Israel friendly media do the framing.

We haven’t lived up to the ideals we aspire to in the past

Hypocrisy is when you judge yourself by your intentions, and others by their actions.

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Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Oct 7th wasn’t a framing issue. Crimes need to be recognised for what they are. Ameliorating factors, such as reasonable resistance don’t go to the medieval activities of that day.

I judge my country by my and my countrymens actions now and passed. I humbly acquiesced to that past, re-read it.

You have a skewed view of the world if you somehow thought that position in conjunction with my criticisms of Israel, and their refusal to even acknowledge the crimes they’re committing is somehow hypocritical.

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- BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  Oct 7th wasn’t a framing issue. Crimes need to be recognised for what they are. Ameliorating factors, such as reasonable resistance don’t go to the medieval activities of that day.
  
  So the answer to my question is: no, you don’t realize that any militant resistance Hamas engages in will be framed as “medieval barbarism”.
  
  I judge my country by my and my countrymens actions now and passed. I humbly acquiesced to that past, re-read it.
  
  Then you have to recognize that Australian ideals are entirely in line with what Israel is doing. Australia’s actions, both then and now, show that.
  
  You have a skewed view of the world if you somehow thought that position in conjunction with my criticisms of Israel, and their refusal to even acknowledge the crimes they’re committing is somehow hypocritical.
  
  I thought we were talking about Australia’s values? Why are you talking about your own personal ones now?
  
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  - Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I think you should slow down and re-read a lot of what has been said. Your rebuttals are only tenuously linked to the arguments. I’ll try to explain more with some supplementary comments below.
    
    Oct 7th
    
    Is rape, torture, and murder needed for resistance? No, and it undermines the causes of those who conduct themselves that way in resistance. Thats what Oct 7th was. Out of all the propaganda and framing Israel puts out Oct 7th is a crime of the Hamas of that time and their associated groupings. Your fighting an poor, distasteful and losing argument trying to put Oct 7th down to framing, and propaganda.
    
    I suggest focusing on the actual crimes and distortions that are committed, we have no need for made up ones when the examples are abundant.
    
    Then you have to recognize that Australian ideals are entirely in line with what Israel is doing. Australia’s actions, both then and now, show that.
    
    This is foolish to believe Australia’s actions demonstrate any ideals like what Israel is doing. They may be too soft, like many countries, but they are decidedly in the opposite direction of these genocidal actions.
    
    I thought we were talking about Australia’s values? Why are you talking about your own personal ones now?
    
    Your responding to something thats not written. It wasn’t an expression of my personal values, but a comment on your inability to sort your own ideologogy and perhaps a prejudice you harbour for Australia, from the ongoing crimes Israel is committing.
    
    Being a raging firebrand on the internet might be emotionally satisfying in the moment, but in the end the realities of this world reassert themselves, and we then have to deal with the destruction and creation of what is left. Its easier if theres less rebuilding when the inevitable time comes. Don’t forget that.
    
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    BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    Is rape, torture, and murder needed for resistance?
    
    See? You’ve demonstrated my point. There’s zero conclusive evidence that any rape or torture took place on October 7th, but you believe there is anyway.
    
    No, and it undermines the causes of those who conduct themselves that way in resistance.
    
    You would say that about any violent resistance.
    
    Your fighting an poor, distasteful and losing argument trying to put Oct 7th down to framing, and propaganda.
    
    And you’re a fool if you don’t believe that any militant resistance from Hamas would be framed this way. Can you think of a single time it wasn’t?
    
    This is foolish to believe Australia’s actions demonstrate any ideals like what Israel is doing. They may be too soft, like many countries, but they are decidedly in the opposite direction of these genocidal actions.
    
    Ok, so you were lying when you said: “I judge my country by my and my countrymens actions now and passed.” You are still judging others by actions and yourself by intention. Hypocrisy.
    
    And no, Australia is not ‘to soft’, that is some fascist shit.
    
    Your responding to something thats not written.
    
    No, I responded to what you wrote, you literally refereed to your own personal views. If that isn’t what you meant then that’s on you for miscommunication, don’t blame me for responding to what you said.
    
    but a comment on your inability to sort your own ideologogy
    
    No, it definitely wasn’t. You are lying now.
    
    a prejudice you harbour for Australia, from the ongoing crimes Israel is committing.
    
    Oh ok, I didn’t no it was “prejudice” to recognize that Australia supported colonial genocide then, and is supporting it in Israel now.
    
    Being a raging firebrand on the internet might be emotionally satisfying in the moment
    
    So might being a smug nationalist pretending to be super rational and above it all. I was 14 once too.
    
    but in the end the realities of this world reassert themselves
    
    Yes, and the reality is that Australia supported colonial genocide then, and is supporting it in Israel now. And those realities will reassert themselves no matter how much you smugly proclaim otherwise.
    
    and we then have to deal with the destruction and creation of what is left.
    
    And you’re going to deal with that by attacking the people fighting against Israel and defending the people supporting it.
    
    Its easier if theres less rebuilding when the inevitable time comes. Don’t forget that.
    
    Uh-uh. Did you practice that vacuous little speech in the mirror?
    
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