Right now, this is analogous to having an active shooter walking around gunning down people, and a random person safely elsewhere saying ‘Don’t shoot him, he has rights!’. No, people are actively suffering and dying.
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jet@hackertalks.com 9 months agoI agree with you in principle. My only concern is who is judging, and making the decision that someone doesn’t have any rights. If it’s private companies? That’s going to be very bad for all of us
wahming@lemmy.world 9 months ago
eee@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Right now, this is analogous to having an active shooter walking around gunning down people, and a random person safely elsewhere saying ‘Don’t shoot him, he has rights!’. No, people are actively suffering and dying. Fix the emergency first, then consider the ramifications.
The problem is that the ramifications are clear as day and imminent. Other parties have been calling for ISP blocks for the longest time.
Using your analogy, the active shooter is walking around holding a dead-man’s switch connected to bombs in a few other areas. People like you are saying “it doesn’t matter that bombs are going to explode, just shoot him!”
pqdinfo@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Again, an ISP blocking KF does NOT mean it’s obligated to block anything else.
The fact Hurricane Electric hasn’t blocked anything else voluntarily should give you some clue that they’re not going to block, say, abortion information, without a law to force them to do it.
Nor does it set a precedent that will usher in those laws. Those laws are coming anyway, and only the first amendment might save us from them. If you’re unaware those laws are coming anyway, I suggest reading r/technology which has covered the various “child safety” laws being proposed. Or read nrlc.org/…/NRLC-Post-Roe-Model-Abortion-Law-FINAL… and eff.org/…/texas-bill-would-systematically-silence…
Fascists aren’t stopped by giving them rights they won’t give you.
PostmodernPythia@lemmy.world 9 months ago
It’s more like there’s an active shooter, and we know any violent techniques we use to stop him will immediately be seen by the right as fair game tactics against us in any context, and used against us in perpetuity.
GentlemanLoser@ttrpg.network 9 months ago
They’re going to do that anyway
PostmodernPythia@lemmy.world 9 months ago
That’s no reason to make it easy.
Cheers@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Sort of. Corps have become bloated with power and this would just be another notch on the belt, however, if there’s an active shooter, it’s the police’s job to take care of it, not local businesses.
This should also be a government role to send people like this to trial. We already live in a surveillance state, use it to stop shit heads at least.
PostmodernPythia@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The right will make pleas that sound equally dangerous to the average fool. It’d be easy enough for them to try to get the very sites that exist to support trans kids and say “we need to shut these down because they’re harming/multilating kids,” like they always say. And then a sympathetic judge shuts them down, I hope you’re happy with the kids you saved now, because there will be so many you can’t.
sab@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Hear hear. Obviously this site should be shut down. But it should be done so on basis of fair trial. Not because of mob justice, or corporations that answer only to shareholders.