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Comment on Spain, the only major European country to extradite people to China despite the ‘generalized violence’ in its prisons

freagle@lemmygrad.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=legis…

So the only evidence of torture they have is a statement by a US-based Chinese person that turned in his business partner and then claimed he did so because he was tortured. Wild.

Meanwhile the US regularly puts people, including children in solitary confinement, regularly kills prisoners, regularly oversees sexual assault by both staff and other inmates and has zero political interest in even speaking of it let alone solving it…

And then of course there’s the US government literally championing their power to torture first by saying it’s not torture, then by saying they torture prisoners who fall into a magical third category, then by renditioning them to foreign countries (many in the EU) where they can torture prisoners without any oversight, then by protecting the people who get caught torturing people.

But sure, go off on how it’s OK to have a standing extradition treaty with the US but China is just a step too far!

You people and your boogeymen.

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SnortsGarlicPowder@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Glad you agree nobody should be extradited to either country.

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- freagle@lemmygrad.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  You don’t see the difference between throwing a shit fit and publicly demanding that China write a letter ensuring human rights on a every single extradition versus having a standing treaty for the last 10 years with the USA?
  
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  - SnortsGarlicPowder@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Don’t you see that as a separate issue? Two things can be bad at once so either you believe China is not doing what the USA is doing or you do and don’t care because the USA extradition treaty makes that okay.
    
    The USA extradition treaty doesn’t matter for this. That is still going to suck no matter what.
    
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    freagle@lemmygrad.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    It’s one issue - Will the EHCR throw a hissy fit, go public with criticism, and engage in legal fuckery for EVERY extradition or just some extraditions? If it’s just some which, ones? If it’s the ones where the prisoners might face human rights violations, great! Now let’s look at their behavior? Oh shit, double standard?! How bad is the double standard? Wow, a decade of a standing agreement to rubber stamp ALL extraditions to the USA vs screaming about a Chinese “businessman”. That seems like a really unbalanced behavior. What’s the justification?
    
    Consequently, the ECHR exempted Liu from having to prove a specific personal risk, given that the extradition request indicated that, once in China, he would be placed in a detention center, which was “sufficient” to deny the extradition. “An individual requesting protection must be guaranteed the benefit of the doubt,” reads the judgment of October 6, 2022.
    
    So literally the extradition request says please extradite a criminal for the purposes of imprisonment, which is literally what extradition is for, and the fact that it’s a request for extradition is grounds to deny the request?
    
    This isn’t even a double standard at this point. It’s pure bullshit.
    
    No, we’re not arguing about whether China or the USA is bad or worse or bad at the same time. We’re arguing about the behavior of the EHCR, European lawyers, European media, and European states. And my position is that the entire suite of behavior is completely informed by politicized sinophobia.
    
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