Comment on The technology to end traffic deaths exists. Why aren’t we using it?

• 0x0@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Trains?! For last mile?!
  Trams, sure, smaller buses that run more often too. More routes.
  Bicycles et al so long as they pay insurance, have a plate and know the traffic rules like everyone else - and preferably put them in their own lanes when possible.
  Walking… if you have time and physical ability, but who cares about that, right? It’s so cool and eco-friendly to say “just walk 20 minutes”.

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  • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Trams, sure

    Still trains.

    If cities are designed better, trains get more effective. Do mixed zoning and put housing on top of shopping, and the last mile plan problem is largely solved. For the rest, bicycles and buses work well.

    And walking can be way better with moving walkways. They’re popular at airports, and I’d love to see them more in malls and maybe underground/covered sidewalks.

    The most important thing is to commit and make driving more annoying so solutions to the last mile problem can be created. Otherwise you’ll just end up with gridlock.

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    • 0x0@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Still trains.

      Subways makes more sense.

      put housing on top of shopping

      Somewhat common where I live, not common enough though.

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      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Subways

        Also trains. If it runs on rails, it’s a train.

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  • Evkob@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Bicycle insurance and plates? Why? That makes zero sense. We have these for cars because cars are dangerous, not just for funsies. Bicycles don’t pose the same danger.

    Walking… if you have time and physical ability, but who cares about that, right? It’s so cool and eco-friendly to say “just walk 20 minutes”.

    Yeah it is cool and eco-friendly to walk 20 minutes (assuming one is able-bodied, as you mention.)

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    • 0x0@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Bicycles do pose similar dangers. A cyclists running a red light it the typical example. Forces someone else to swerve and hit a post then what?

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      • Evkob@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Cyclists on the whole break traffic laws a lot less than motorists.

        Also, I love how your only example of “the dangers of cyclists” involves someone in a car having to react to a cyclist. If everyone is cycling, speeds are low enough to react and typically avoid collisions even if a potential conflict arises. The “forces someone to swerve” phenomenon mostly happens at the speed of motor vehicles.

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  • desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    so you want to ruin childhood by placing pointless restrictions on bikes?

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    • 0x0@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Riiight, childhood’s defined by riding bicycles and not doing so would ruin it… uh-huh. Kids can ride them.all they want in parks and bike lanes, but you want them on the street alongside those dangerous cars? They might have a serious accident… now that would ruin their childhood.

      Grownups can ride on roads (if there’s no bike lane available) provided the vehicle has a plate and is insured, like any other vehicle. The driver should have the basics of road safety and rules, as any other driver.

      Your think of the children take is kinda lame, especially considering most kids these days care more about game consoles that bicycles (which is bad imho).

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      • desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I currently live in a place where there aren’t sidewalks for more than 80% of the roads (heck I’ve lives in a place that had two roads with sidewalks and only 4 with pavement) treating roads as inherently unsafe is fair only in the context of stupidly large cities. There are still a bunch of cities that have dirt (not gravel) roads and they suit the needs because if there aren’t hundreds of people needing to use a road it doesn’t need to be able to handle dozens of cars.

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