Comment on Deal with EU will make food cheaper and add £9bn to UK economy, says No 10
HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 21 hours agoYou mean the arbitrary climate goals Germany and all members of the EU made up.
The EU is not some nebulous org that doesn’t exist without it’s members. Germany was a huge part of the members calling for these goals.
As was the UK in absolutely everything brexiters complained about.
mbirth@lemmy.ml 20 hours ago
Nobody voted for the people sitting in lovely Brussels and making decisions that impact all member countries in all their different situations. It was good when it was still the EEC and meant to improve trading between member countries. And trading only. How we ended up with this monster of EU trying to dictate things like you can’t sell cucumbers which are curved more than X degrees, or banning incandescent and halogen light bulbs, and stuff like that… I don’t know. But I don’t like it.
HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 20 hours ago
Yep they did.
Every nation in the EU is a democracy it is a requirement.
They elect there leaders. Those leaders send representatives to the council.
And citizens elect mep that approve or reject council mandates.
mbirth@lemmy.ml 18 hours ago
At least in Germany you vote for parties. These parties then create coalitions which water down most of the reasons why they were elected in the first place.
The guy in the EU council is supposed to be the highest leader of each country. In Germany that’s the Chancellor. Which is elected by those parties/coalitions. You as a normal person have no say in who it’s going to be.
Same for the EU commission. You have no real influence on who’s going.
Then those parties/coalitions create lists of candidates for becoming MEPs. You vote for those lists. There’s no way to vote for specific people to go to the EU parliament. And those lists are basically suggestions as people can be crossed out or exchanged on those lists even after the elections are over.
HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 17 hours ago
Sure. But that is not the EUs problem. It is an issue with the UK. And not one we needed to leave the EU to fix. But instead agree on a party willing to change it.
The UK electorate has not been able to do that.
Much like most other EU nations got to vote on expansion of the EU mandate.
Our democratic leadership chose not to. So we again voted them in power so did get to vote.
The whole Brexit argument was based on UK government failure being pushed as EU issues. It sure as hell was not the EU as an org that lacks democratic ideals.