Comment on Call to defederate from feddit.org over zionism

• PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Israel don’t like hamas there is a misconception about israel/hamas relation.

  They literally have talked openly about it.

  In an interview with Politico in 2023, former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said that “In the last 15 years, Israel did everything to downgrade the Palestinian Authority and to boost Hamas.”

  At a Likud party conference in 2019, Benjamin Netanyahu said: “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.”[36][37]

  “Netanyahu’s strategy is to prevent the option of two states, so he is turning Hamas into his closest partner. Openly Hamas is an enemy. Covertly, it’s an ally.”[40]

  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas#U…

  The idea that they were ever a “charity organization” is pure fantasy. The destruction of Israel is in the charter. Literally everyone else in these comments is aware that they are focused around armed resistance to an occupation. That is literally their reason for being.

  Weirdly you still think hamas is the fake resistance and PA is the true resistance.

  When I am king, the one and only rule on Lemmy will be that anyone who tells their opponent what it is their opponent believes, when neither their opponent or even anyone else said the thing they’re saying, will not just be banned. Someone will go to their house and kick them, and tell them sternly, “No!”

  I actually feel duped that I took your comment seriously enough to dig up citations for why it was wrong. Reading the end, it’s clear to me that you’re either just trying to provoke conflict for reasons of your own, or else you’re more or less just sitting down at your computer to go BLBLBLBLBLBLBLBLBL onto Lemmy thinking that it is productive input.

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  • small44@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’ll ask you again how many idf terrorists was killed by Hamas and how many was killed by the PA and do you deny that PA are collaborating with Israel and do nothing against illegal settlers

    aljazeera.com/…/the-pa-crackdown-on-palestinians-…

    Israel love hamas so much according to you that they killed all it’s top leaders

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    • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’ll ask you again how many idf terrorists was killed by Hamas and how many was killed by the PA and do you deny that PA are collaborating with Israel and do nothing against illegal settlers

      I said literally nothing at all about the PA. My point was that Hamas is corrupt, violent, and counterproductive, which is why the government of Israel supports them. Them periodically killing civilians or IDF people is extremely useful for Likud, which is why Likud likes them. Nothing Palestinian is strong enough to present any genuine threat of any kind of resistance. If Hamas or the PA could present anything like a real threat to Israel as a whole, the leaders would react differently, but different trivial numbers of Israelis killed by one or the other has absolutely no bearing on anything I’m saying.

      You seem like you are persistently claiming I am saying one thing, and arguing very vigorously against that thing. Like I or someone here is trying to compare the PA to Hamas. I thought it was weird that you held up the PA as the “fake” resistance or seemed to be missing the point so thoroughly, but I think the only thing I ever even said about them was asking you some questions about your own point of view.

      Israel love hamas so much according to you that they killed all it’s top leaders

      Because it barely matters anymore. They are just killing everyone in Gaza.

      For a time, they needed to delegitimize Palestine on the world stage, and Hamas was violent enough and not-PA enough to serve that purpose.

      Now, what they need to do is pretend that their “war” is against Hamas and not against a totally defenseless wreckage of starving women and children, and so holding up some dead Hamas people is useful for them.

      It’s different behavior for different situations. This is not some kind of PhD argument I am making here, that needs a deep understanding in order to grasp it. I honestly have no idea why you are so amped up about this or not listening to anything I am saying, and determined to “win” the exchange instead. I hope you grow out of it, and learn to blossom into the beautiful butterfly of online discoursing that you always knew you could be.

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      • small44@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I said literally nothing at all about the PA Really. You quickly forgot this comment you made? This is where your argument goes from incomplete to bizarre. Why do you say the PA which Israel dislikes is an extension of Israel, while Hamas which Israel likes and supports (in between military operations) is an authentic resistance organization?

        Palestinians been occupied for 57 years what do you want them to do nothing at all? Even if they attack only Israeli soldiers Israel will massacre people, if they peacefully protest like in the past they will get massacred and if they do nothing Israel will maintain the blockade, they will keep expending illegal settlement, settlers terrorists will keep oppressing Palestinians, west bankers homes will still get demolished

        Finally stop acting pretentious, there is no reason for me to try to win an argument with a random person on the internet

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