I’ve also seen women with no children with both low and high salaries. The point is not what is possible to happen, but what tends to happen. Women get childcare imposed on them at the cost of their careers and income.
Then there is also the problem that jobs traditionally taken by women are paid less than men. So, again, a man working as a nurse or in childcare is paid less also, but the level of education and work required for these roles is not commensurate with the pay for similar roles for men, like in trades.
Lightor@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
OK, I can acknowledge that. That’s a struggle. I feel that man are often shouldered with financially providing for the child. But different struggles, all that should be sorted out before becoming pregnant if possible.
Nurses take schooling, and men get paid less. Trades take schooling, and men get paid more. It seems like there is just general inequality that needs do be addressed. Not saying has it harder or not, just seems like it’s a spead and should be addressed in general.
hitmyspot@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
Men are shouldered with the financial struggle? Do you mean in a couple with a relationship? So, from your hypothesis, both parents have pressure placed in them by having children. In men’s case it’s to their financial benefit and for women it’s to their financial detriment. Does that not make society sexist in your view? This kind of sexism is what is called structural inequality. It leads to lower wages for women. However, as much as that is an issue, there is also an issue of women getting paid less for the same work. That also happens but can be harder to measure
Yes, everyone on the system can choose to partake differently but they are swimming against the tide tondo so.
Lightor@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s too men’s financial benefit to have to provide? Having to work jobs that pay what you need doing things you hate because the career you really want doesn’t pay enough to raise a kid?
I feel like you have a very one sided view of this situation. I could say the woman at home could also have time to educate herself and grow while the man could be stuck in a dead end factory job working himself to death to provide. But you just see it as the guy works more so that must mean he’s doing better. No.
And yes, there is women getting paid less for the same work. But as you even admitted, there are some men who get paid less for the same work too. But you seem to be only looking at one side of the problem.
hitmyspot@aussie.zone 2 weeks ago
I don’t know if you’re purposely missing the point. Some of the world’s wealthiest people are billionaire women. That doesn’t mean sexism doesn’t exist. Lots of women having high paid jobs doesn’t mean there aren’t more women than men being paid for the same work, or for similar amounts of effort.
You talk about me wing one sided while thinking women doing fully time child care would have time to study to advance their career? Lol, no.
Children take a large amount of time and resources to raise. The way society is set up, women are expected and obliged to sacrifice time, men are expected to provide resources. In the mens case, this means pressure to advance, through promotion or a higher paid role. For women the pressure is to cut down on work and responsibilities at work to the detriment of their long term career.
You talk about men having to sacrifice a preferred career ro take a better paid one. How do you think it goes for the woman’s preferred career while full time caring for kids? The end result is both parties would lose their preferred careers but in the man’s case he ends up wealthier.