I hear what you say, but again that’s intellectually dishonest. Libertarians find themselves between a rock and a hard place, so they inevitably choose the side that overlaps most with them.
What progressives want is also authoritarian, and libertarians are against authoritarianism on principle, whether it has noble or evil goals because the potential for abuse even with noble goals is too great.
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Yeah, there is a word for what they are overlapping with.
I don’t see how prioritizing civil rights over property is authoritarian.
Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
It’s one faction among many others, just like there are tankies on the left.
You can’t force social change from the top down. I’ll use the trans issue because what else. It’s not clear to me that there are any civil rights being violated when you say that they are not allowed in women’s bathrooms. Now do I think they should be allowed? Yes, but I think it’s up to the women to allow them in if they so wish to and the government can’t force it.
Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Are Trans men allowed in female bathrooms or are they now banned due to being male presenting?
If they are banned, then that is depriving the public of access to public facilities which their taxes pay for and the end result being a violation of their rights.
If they are not banned, then the original intent of the ban is bullshit and clearly a move to target a subset of the population and make public spaces less hospitable, which I would argue violates their civil rights to enjoy public spaces without harassment.
Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Trans people are actually not banned anywhere from using the public restrooms they choose as far as I’m aware. I was using it as an example because it’s perhaps the most salient one along with trans women in sports.
But yes my view is that there should be no law or regulation or order saying anything about this, it is up to the people who use the space to decide who is or isn’t allowed. Same with sports, let the leagues decide.
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 1 day ago
The end goal of many libertarian policy is to empower corporations (weather libertarians had that intention or not). The guilded age in US history is pretty much what we would go back to.
I know what you mean. Still the free market didn’t end slavery or give us safe work places. In those issues libertarians today are consistently advocating for those who are against those civil liberties and worker protection. Hence why they have rightfully earned the view of being fascists.