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• AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Presumably we have the intelligence to set requirements before something can be called self-driving - that’s usually what the fuss is about, whether the marketing is claiming it’s something it’s not.

  If they fail with their approach, I’m fine with that, just like I’m fine if Waymo fails with their approach. Obviously there’s a problem if it runs over some old lady at a stop sign and drags them down the street but that’s clearly a failure for them

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  • tfm@europe.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Presumably we have the intelligence to set requirements before something can be called self-driving

    We already have that www.sae.org/blog/sae-j3016-update

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    • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      We already have that

      Yes, we have the definitions, but I haven’t read about whether they’re effectively required. Is there a test, a certification authority, rules for liability or revocation? Have we established a way to actually require it.

      I hope we wouldn’t let manufacturers self-certify, although historical data is important evidence. I hope we don’t aid profitability of manufacturers by either limiting liability or creating a path to justice doomed to fail

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      • tfm@europe.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        This stuff is highly regulated …wikipedia.org/…/Regulation_of_self-driving_cars

        Mercedes has the first autonomous car (L3) you can buy, which you can only activate at low speeds on certain roads in Germany. It’s only possible because of Lidar sensors and when activated you are legally allowed to look at your phone as long as you can take over in 10 or so seconds.

        You aren’t allowed to do this in a Tesla, since the government doesn’t categorize Teslas as autonomous vehicles which requires L3+.

        No car manufacturer can sell real autonomous vehicles without government approval. Tesla FSD is just Marketing bs. Others are far ahead in terms of autonomous driving tech.

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    • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      The thing is humans are horrible drivers, costing a huge toll in lives and property every year.

      We may already be at the point where we need to deal with the ethics of inadequate self-driving causing too many accidents vs human causing more. We can clearly see the shortcomings of all self driving technology so far, but is it ethical to block Immature technology if it does overall save lives?

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      • tfm@europe.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        The thing is humans are horrible drivers, costing a huge toll in lives and property every year.

        True

        We may already be at the point where we need to deal with the ethics of inadequate self-driving causing too many accidents vs human causing more.

        Are you talking about waymo vs human driver? It’s currently (and maybe never) economical to roll that out globally. That would cost trillions and probably wouldn’t even be feasible everywhere.

        Teslas aren’t autonomous but just mere driving assistants so you can’t compare them. Otherwise you’d also have to include the Mercedeses (which btw have the first commercial Level 3 car), BMWs, BYDs, …

        but is it ethical to block Immature technology if it does overall save lives?

        It would be very unethical to allow companies to profit from dangerous and unsafe technology that kills people.

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