Comment on Everyone Is Cheating Their Way Through College

DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• blarghly@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Or, ya’know, they could just have students take tests on paper in a lecture hall.

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  • milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Doesn’t even need to be paper. Have locked-down, internet-disconnected computers in the exam hall bas glorified typewriters.

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    • JustARaccoon@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Why not a middle ground? Have them only access a local network version of Wikipedia + a verified library to search

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    • FinishingDutch@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Back when I was in grade school in the mid 1990’s, we were one of the first families to have a computer. We weren’t allowed to ANY schoolwork on it. If you had to write a paper, it had to be written by hand. Which, as someone who could type much faster and used bigger words, was REALLY fucking annoying.

      But yeah, I imagine we need to go back to dumb, disconnected computers in exam halls to keep things above board. It’s depressing to see how lazy this tech makes students.

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    • real_squids@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Exactly, that’s how it works in my country. I think the PCs are connected to a local server that then matches the results to your id and email.

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  • DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Or even actually show what they learned in a practical sense.

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    • Evotech@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Academia isn’t really that practical

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      • DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Vo-techs at least kinda have to be based on the types of things they tend to teach.

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    • blarghly@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I like this idea, but I also think that we should keep in mind that the time of university staff is expensive, and with the already outlandish cost of education we need to strike a balance

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  • Evotech@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s what we used to do, 15 years ago though

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  • Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Because nobody ever cheated on a paper exam before.

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    • blarghly@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      perfect not being the enemy of the good and all that

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      • Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I would argue that in person exams with no resources to do research goes against how the world works for most white collar workers.

        Few are unable to research on the internet to verify information, or at least look at say a man page for coding or look up past stuff on stackoverflow, if they are working through a problem.

        Standardized testing is just not as useful as-is. I do great at it and can typically pass exams without really studying the material, but others are not so lucky.

        I’ve met people who can flunk exams but talk about the problems, go into how they would fix it, and work through a problem to implementation and testing in the real world.

        Oh, and LLMs are the new typewriter, for better or worse. It’s unlikely we are going to have a future where they are not readily available. We already have models that run locally and do not transmit data anywhere, and AI customized to your own data that is not shared is already a service provided by Microsoft.

        Education needs to evolve with technology. It’s always been 5-10 years behind the curve.

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• WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  tools like that were going big in the pandemic for online exams. Basically rootkits that fully compromise your machine

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