There’s assumptions involved in detecting satire from just text as well. You would just have a Reverse Poe’s law where “any extreme views can be mistaken by some readers for satire of those views without clear indicator of the author’s intent”.
Normally when people say things we (justifiably) assume that to be what they mean, which is why satire works much better in person because intonation can make the satire explicit without changing the words or saying it out loud.
Never assumed you did :), but yes, as little assumptions is the best. But as you can already tell, it’s hard to communicate when you take no assumptions when people make explicit statements crafted to dispel assumptions, that are entirely plausible for a hypothetical real person to have.
In fact, your original statement of “They have no doubts. Never occurred to them it might be a joke…”, is in itself a pretty big assumption. Unless, of course. I assume that statement to be a hyperbole, or even satire. But if we want to have fun talking about a shitpost we do kind of have to take an assumptive position on the meme that can’t talk back.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I feel like it should be more like “Poe’s sometimes true thing” because satire does indeed still exist.
ClamDrinker@lemmy.world 2 months ago
There’s assumptions involved in detecting satire from just text as well. You would just have a Reverse Poe’s law where “any extreme views can be mistaken by some readers for satire of those views without clear indicator of the author’s intent”.
Normally when people say things we (justifiably) assume that to be what they mean, which is why satire works much better in person because intonation can make the satire explicit without changing the words or saying it out loud.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I never said anyone should assume something is satire. It’s possible to just not know something and not make a judgement.
ClamDrinker@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Never assumed you did :), but yes, as little assumptions is the best. But as you can already tell, it’s hard to communicate when you take no assumptions when people make explicit statements crafted to dispel assumptions, that are entirely plausible for a hypothetical real person to have.
In fact, your original statement of “They have no doubts. Never occurred to them it might be a joke…”, is in itself a pretty big assumption. Unless, of course. I assume that statement to be a hyperbole, or even satire. But if we want to have fun talking about a shitpost we do kind of have to take an assumptive position on the meme that can’t talk back.