That’s the logic I take issue with. It isn’t all or nothing even though that’s how this is being presented. I’m not about to fund lemmyml or the tankie developers. If that causes problems so be it but the good news is that there is plenty of people in the community help with development. I see no reason why we need to fund two peoples salaries. If I have to work to make a living they can as well.
First of all, build software is work. So work on Lemmy is work (paid or not).
I can see 2 possible meanings for what you said:
1- they should work in a regular job to make their living and abandon Lemmy, because it does not provide the means for their living.
2- they should work in a regular job to make their living and work more, for free, on Lemmy.
Please clarify, what do you mean? First or second?
Or, maybe, you mean that they should accept more code contributions from the community… Well, in that case, it would be work anyway, because managing a codebase with multiple contributors is hard and takes time as well.
Did you mean something else?
The project depends on the devs, without devs, there will be no fixes or improvements on Lemmy. And many improvements will be necessary if Lemmy user base keep on growing.
And again, maintaining .ml is so cheap that the .ml users themselves can handle the cost, we are talking about the time and work that the devs are putting in the project that both of us care about.
Do you like Lemmy? If so, donate should not be an issue.
If it is an issue, maybe you should consider migrating to other platform. The good news about it is that ActivityPub will let you access the content anyway… If Lemmy survive… And if the devs implement there compatibility.
I’m not going to thing in absolute terms. There is no problem using Lemmy without donating. If the devs wanted donations they probably shouldn’t of pissed everyone off. They are offering up there own labor for free and there is no obligation for me to donate.
I can not in good conscious support the Lemmy devs. That doesn’t mean I have to stop using Lemmy.
Nobody will stop you, it’s just extremely convenient to be so against their views and at the same time benefit from it.
If the devs wanted donations they probably shouldn’t have pissed everyone off.
So, for their work to be worth being paid, they should not hurt your feelings, and as they did, you are entitled to use their work for free until it dies for lack of resources? That’s a very strange take.
They are offering up their own labor for free and there is no obligation for me to donate.
True! Let the project die! … Right?
I don’t like the pressure put on my the community to donate just for the sake of donating.
You know that’s not “for the sake of donating”, you just don’t want to donate for someone with a political view different from yours, but want to keep benefiting from it. It’s very hypocritical on your part.
I don’t mind giving money but it has to be earned. I don’t give free lunch.
You mind if they think differently from you.
I can not in good conscious support the Lemmy devs.
But can benefit from their work… Until you can’t because the project will die if they start to think and act like you.
That doesn’t mean I have to stop using Lemmy.
True. Aren’t we lucky that the tankies are working for the benefit of the community instead of looking for profit?
2500 eur to work as a developer in a project this size, full of ungrateful users. These guys are acting as saints, I would totally consider pausing/abandoning it if my basic needs were not met.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 weeks ago
That’s the logic I take issue with. It isn’t all or nothing even though that’s how this is being presented. I’m not about to fund lemmyml or the tankie developers. If that causes problems so be it but the good news is that there is plenty of people in the community help with development. I see no reason why we need to fund two peoples salaries. If I have to work to make a living they can as well.
arthur@lemmy.zip 4 weeks ago
First of all, build software is work. So work on Lemmy is work (paid or not).
I can see 2 possible meanings for what you said: 1- they should work in a regular job to make their living and abandon Lemmy, because it does not provide the means for their living. 2- they should work in a regular job to make their living and work more, for free, on Lemmy.
Please clarify, what do you mean? First or second?
Or, maybe, you mean that they should accept more code contributions from the community… Well, in that case, it would be work anyway, because managing a codebase with multiple contributors is hard and takes time as well.
Did you mean something else?
The project depends on the devs, without devs, there will be no fixes or improvements on Lemmy. And many improvements will be necessary if Lemmy user base keep on growing.
And again, maintaining .ml is so cheap that the .ml users themselves can handle the cost, we are talking about the time and work that the devs are putting in the project that both of us care about.
Do you like Lemmy? If so, donate should not be an issue.
If it is an issue, maybe you should consider migrating to other platform. The good news about it is that ActivityPub will let you access the content anyway… If Lemmy survive… And if the devs implement there compatibility.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 weeks ago
I’m not going to thing in absolute terms. There is no problem using Lemmy without donating. If the devs wanted donations they probably shouldn’t of pissed everyone off. They are offering up there own labor for free and there is no obligation for me to donate.
I can not in good conscious support the Lemmy devs. That doesn’t mean I have to stop using Lemmy.
arthur@lemmy.zip 4 weeks ago
Nobody will stop you, it’s just extremely convenient to be so against their views and at the same time benefit from it.
So, for their work to be worth being paid, they should not hurt your feelings, and as they did, you are entitled to use their work for free until it dies for lack of resources? That’s a very strange take.
True! Let the project die! … Right?
You know that’s not “for the sake of donating”, you just don’t want to donate for someone with a political view different from yours, but want to keep benefiting from it. It’s very hypocritical on your part.
You mind if they think differently from you.
But can benefit from their work… Until you can’t because the project will die if they start to think and act like you.
True. Aren’t we lucky that the tankies are working for the benefit of the community instead of looking for profit?
2500 eur to work as a developer in a project this size, full of ungrateful users. These guys are acting as saints, I would totally consider pausing/abandoning it if my basic needs were not met.
Mouette@jlai.lu 4 weeks ago
No that just mean you’re a moralist poser, software doesn’t develop themselves if you are using Lemmy this is thanks to the developers.
It seems you are just a privileged brat that doesn’t understand how the world works.