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• hakase@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If that were to become the enforced position of the entire dev team, I promise that I will donate, and provide receipts.

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• Ledivin@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  That’s a perfectly sensible position, but the money doesn’t go just to you.

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  • davidagain@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It also goes to lemmyml costs.

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    • nutomic@lemmynsfw.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Only donations via Opencollective pay for lemmy.ml hosting. All other donation options are exclusively for developer salaries.

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• dragonfucker@lemmy.nz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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  Nobody should give you money.

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  • el_abuelo@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What would be the correct way to voice opposing views about these issues?

    Genuinely asking as to my ignorant eyes this looks like a reasonable way of discussing the issues, so I must have some kind of wrongthink here and would love to be guided back to a place where people can discuss opposing views safely.

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    • dragonfucker@lemmy.nz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Speaking from a place of explicit respect for minorities’ lived experiences, and using appropriate terminology that is both scientifically accurate and minimises harm.

      This comment fails on all three counts:
      “Biological men” is not a scientific term, because biologists don’t study men and women, they study males and females. Man and woman are genders, which are studied by psychologists and sociologists.
      “Biological men” is not a term that minimises harm. Calling trans women men is a form of misgendering, which has been well documented to cause psychological distress and worsen mental health.
      The comment denies the statement from lived experience by trans people, that trans people are being targeted by the owning class. Members of a privileged majority telling the minority that they’re wrong about their daily experiences isn’t respectful.

      Drag will be happy to provide sources for any of the claims in this comment which you have doubts about. In return, drag asks that you keep an open scientific mind, seek to minimise harm, and listen to minorities about our lived experiences.

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      • el_abuelo@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Thank you. No sources required, and I already try to do those things…hence my questions! I hope that my questions don’t cause harm, if they do I would like to find a way to learn without harming.

        If they had said “biological male” then this would be okay? Sounds equally as hurtful to me…what is the correct term use? Trans woman?

        The only thing I see them denying is that the same group of people spreading trans rights are also the ones spreading transphobia…which sounds logical to me?

        I appreciate that this sounds like I’m defending them but I’m really not, I suspect from what’s said in this thread that they have a storied history of being hurtful on this topic which i think is indefensible. But I am out the loop and have very little idea who this person is.

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      • 4n41y4no5@crazypeople.online ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I love drag, but saying liberalism is coopting struggle of oppressed people to distract from the class war isn’t denying the reality of the oppression. Saying pink washing exists isn’t saying women aren’t oppressed.

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• person1@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Hi Nutomic. I’m new to Lemmy. I was quite impressed with what you have built, and was looking forward to helping Lemmy grow. It must have taken a lot of your effort. I was really enthusiastic about the project and a few weeks back your appeal for funding would probably have had me donating something.

  Unfortunately, I’ve already have had some bad experiences on your instance. I probably would have stayed away from it had I known what it stood for, but - as someone pointed out - this is the oldest instance, has some of the largets forums, so naturally that’s where many people land first.

  And it really is quite an image problem for Lemmy. Someone compared you to Elon tanking (sorry for the bad pun) Tesla sales. Sure, up to some point one can say, imperfect allies, separation of code and ideology, that kind of thing. But I think you see from the comments that for a lot of people it’s too much.

  For me, the combination of your views and what’s represented by .ml fundamentally undermined my trust in Lemmy as a platform. I don’t have the means to validate claims of code or development processs being impartial. It could well be that you did a lot of excellent work and have superb integrity in separating your views from your contributions. I just honestly don’t trust that is the case.

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