Comment on YSK: Regulations don't exist because governments like them...

• killingspark@feddit.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  People following incentives blah-bkah is people being morons. See also “I was following orders” fallacy applied to army

  No? It’s being smart in the system around you. It might be unethical but following the incentives is the easy and profitable option. the incentives are set by the system in which you are living. Capitalism.

  Capitalism strives for something? Niice. And I thought “economic system” does not have any strivings

  I’m not sure where you got this. Economic, or broader, any social system strives for some kind of goal. Otherwise society wouldn’t have implemented them. In the case of capitalism that goal is return on investments.

  Anything has to be enforced because we consistently fail to produce developed and balanced humans. Whatever -ism you try to build around what kind of people we have now, it will fail. So cut the crap about capitalism already

  The idea that there could be “developed and balanced” humans that would just resist the drive for profit that dominates our whole economy is just so flawed. We should try to make humans that fit the economic model. We should try to make an economic model that fits the humans we have. And the humans we have largely follow the incentives provided by the system, no matter how unethical the outcomes might be.

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  • Shanmugha@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    -being smart my ass, lol (that’s insult to the idea, not you). That is not being smart, that is being stupid life-wise

    • almost any social system is an immature mumbo-jumbo produced and kept in place by idiots. All -isms fall into this category

    • the idea that humans are capable of recognising how life works is flawed in your eyes? Thanks, I end this conversation

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    • killingspark@feddit.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I mean there is extensive research on the topic of incentives and how powerful they are. But sure you can go on and believe that humans aren’t subject to being manipulated that way. Have a nice day

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• Beastimus@slrpnk.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  To some degree I agree with you. But it should be noted that poorly regulated capitalism often makes the smart decision for your own best interests to screw with others. Whereas better regulated capitalism (and socialism) theoretically makes that a smart decision less often.

  Also, companies do exist, they exist specifically to shunt responsibility off of individuals. (Which isn’t necessarily a bad thing, because single people having responsibility for massive economic things is probably a recipe for disaster.)

  We do need a significant change in culture, we also need to change the system.

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  • Shanmugha@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Once again, need of regulation means humans are under-developed.

    Caring for short-term benefit paying for it by damaging long-term profits is exactly why I call such people idiots, together with trying to use “companies”, “capitalism”, “incentives” and a whole ton of other illusions to run from responsibility. Do I need to explain how not taking responsibility means becoming a slace?

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