Because it’s a horrid, selfish thing, taking yourself away from everyone who loves and appreciates you.
“This too shall pass” is true for everything.
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starbrite@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
I don’t really get why people hate suicide so much? If someone doesn’t want to live and doesn’t have anything to live for, why should we make them? Or that could be just my depression talking
Godric@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Blemgo@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I disagree and cannot condone this statement, as it inevitably harms those you are trying to save. It denies them of their feelings in favor or preserving the status quo, which brought them to that situation in the first place. It is selfish at best and manipulative cult-like behaviour at worst.
Suicide has been labeled wrong because it harms the society the individual lives in. The surrounding community will lose one contributing member and gain only pain from the loss.
However one has no right to decide over the lives of others, and there are fates worse than a quick death. If you want to help, accept that people have those thoughts, because they are natural, as we can only bear torment for a certain amount of time. Don’t punish them for wanting to have peace, help them to get peace in some other way, if possible.
Suicide is bad, but not wrong. What is wrong is not helping others who are hurting in any way one can.
Godric@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Telling people not to kill themselves is “manipulative cult-like behavior”???
I’m not even going to bother to read the rest of that, go outside please!
Blemgo@lemmy.world 1 day ago
First of all, when learning about helping those with suicidal thoughts, one of the first thngs you learn is that trying to tell them that their departure will hurt those around you will drive them even more into suicide due to the added pressure.
Secondly, by not hearing someone fully out, all you do is cementing yours and the other’s opinions. If you really want to change things, listen to the other and try to reason with the other on why their reasoning is faulty.
I do apologize if my post was a bit emotionally loaded, since it is a topic that hits very close to home, as someone with a past of suicidal thoughts. And I know how much it hurts to lose someone. Yes one has to remember that someone suffering from depression does not think sane. The main thing one should always do is make the other feel heard, because they will think that no one does. Show them that they are not alone against their own thoughts, because they will think they are. Signal to them that you are an ally for them, as they will think everyone is a threat.
Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
If someone doesn’t want to live and doesn’t have anything to live for
This is almost always a temporary problem that can change. Depression isn’t a feeling. It’s a disorder, an imbalance, a prolonged neurochemical misfire. It’s horrible, and feels inescapable.
But any thoughts you have about the past - and any beliefs you have about the future - are directly influenced by that imbalance. There is no true depiction of the past in our heads. No future in front of our eyes. We simulate the past and future in the present moment.
When we access memories, we re-experience them all over again.
Depression prevents you from feeling good, so even your own memories feel hollow and devoid of meaning. A happy memory is filtered through the same process as a happy experience, and both are temporarily (and reversibly) stripped of emotional value while you are depressed.
The same is true for the future. You simulate your predictions as if they are artificial memories of the future, but they are also filtered through your present context.
While depressed, it is much, much harder to imagine a happy future. Not because you have pulled away the rosy glasses and seen truth. Not because you have found cold logic. No. You are, ever and always, an emotional animal, and you are defined even by your lack of an emotion.
To imagine a happy future is to simulate a happy experience. It’s required - to imagine oneself happy later, they literally have to experience that ‘potential’ happiness now.
With depression, the past feels faded and the future feels hopeless. But - unlike depression - those are just feelings. Those are literally just in your head.
Your perceived past and predicted future are defined by the range of experience you can have in the present moment. If you can’t feel happy now, you can’t fully process that your life was ever happy or will ever be happy again. But those are just feelings.
It might not feel like it now, but you have been happy before. You can be happy again, as long as you live. Not for as long as you live… but only if you live. The only thing that can stop you is death.
This is life, and I will not lie by saying every day will be sunshine. But there will be sunshine again, and that is a very different thing to say. That is truth. I promise you. . . You will be warm again.
- Wit, a Brandon Sanderson treasure.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 3 days ago
In most cases, it’s a permanent solution to a temporary problem. And people value life. Their own and other’s. Because we’re programmed to want to continue the species
If that wasn’t the case: why wouldn’t everyone just kill themselves right now? So they can live life? Why does that matter? If not to keep the species going, there’s no reason.