Comment on Tesla Slumps Below 50% Share of California's Electric Car Market
poopkins@lemmy.world 3 days agoIf you knew then that he was a liar, then I really don’t see how you can complain about it now. You evidently knew which business you were getting into.
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 3 days ago
You can say that about literally any company that exists under capitalism.
poopkins@lemmy.world 2 days ago
That’s an odd position to take. Fraud is okay since others commit fraud as well? Not many companies have a Wikipedia entry documenting their ongoing deception and fraud since 2017.
My position on Elon Musk and Tesla by extension is clear. If you are supportive of them, that’s completely up to you.
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Considering said Wikipedia entry did not exist 5 years ago, when I mentioned the prior requirements of mine that were met at the time, that doesn’t really apply here. Seems pretty convenient for current prospective buyers as of the article’s publishing, 3 years ago.
Regardless, to reiterate, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, but I’m sure you’ve never consumed a product from a company that’s committed any form of fraud or other unethical act.
Having said all of this, please do not take what I’m saying here as support for Tesla or Elon. There is no way in hell I would buy a Tesla as of now, and I do indeed try to limit my consumption for companies I disagree with on moral and ethical grounds. Call me ignorant at the time of purchase, if you want, I suppose.
poopkins@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I certainly have; I bought a VW four years after the TDI emissions scandal. I’m by no means immune to this.
As an aside, the fact that the Wikipedia article didn’t exist doesn’t mean the issues cited in it weren’t already widely reported in the media. Some infamous court cases go back to 2017, including SEC fraud and union busting. False claims have been Elmo’s standard operating procedure with promises such as full self driving and range first becoming broken beginning 2016, and speed of supercharging and battery swapping in 2013.
This is of course to say nothing of the outright taxpayer fraud of Hyperloop and the Boring Company, but that’s a story for another day.
If you’re curious, here’s a nifty website that’s been tracking his truthiness: elonmusk.today