Comment on Bluesky has started honoring takedown requests from Turkish government

• BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  The difference is that if your home server is outside of Turkey then you can tell them to kick rocks. Bluesky probably complies because they don’t want to be blocked from Turkey. In a truly decentralized system like activitypub, only the server hosting the account / content in question risks being blocked, which means almost nothing the closer you get to a single account instance. Meanwhile every other server not in Turkey would not notice a difference.

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  • paraphrand@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I’m not an expert on how activity pub works, but you’re saying if I had an account on mastodon.social, and if they took down a post on my @user@mastodon.social account, regardless of takedown reason, it would still be visible from other instances?

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    • BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I’m saying that if your home server (mastodon.social) is outside of Turkey, then there is less reason for them to comply in the first place because they only risk the mastodon.social server being blocked in Turkey. That one is a bad example because they’re one of the largest, so if you want to be extra safe, you’d want to pick a server that isn’t so big so that they are less likely to care about complying with some other county that they might not have any users from.

      If the server you use is based inside the country that has a problem with your content, then you’d be screwed - though all the other servers will still mirror and cache your content for a bit even if you get taken down.

      The resiliency lies in the fact that you can choose to register in a country that is politically friendly towards your posts or if your home country is friendly but you want to avoid being taken down, you can self host a single user instance and refuse any requests from other countries.

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  • jeena@piefed.jeena.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    But don't all other servers host copies of it? So if a server is hosted in Turkey then they could tell that server to block access to that content a least from Turkey or not?

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    • BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      The other servers do cache the content for some time yes, but if your server is based in a country not friendly to your posts then you are vulnerable to takedowns as you say.

      The benefit I’m saying we have in the fediverse is that you can pick a server in a politically safe area (ie outside Turkey in this case), so they are less likely to comply, especially if they are small or don’t care about being blocked by that country (that’s usually the only thing they can do unless you have an office or staff there that can be arrested - less likely to be the case if your server is run by some dude in another country).

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