Comment on Mastodon Exit Interview

• poVoq@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Eh? They were flooding the local timeline with bot posts for sunset etc times for many different locations, meaning likely several bot posts per hour. That would get them banned on pretty much any instance.

  By their words: “Not worth the effort” to run your own instance my ass… don’t abuse a gratis public service with bot spam.

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  • rglullis@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    You really made me look…

    There are 98 bots, each one was posting exactly once a day. That’s an average of one post every 14 minutes.

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    • poVoq@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Not one for sunset and another one for dawn? But ok, I overestimated it a bit, but 4 posts per hour is still bot spam.

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      • rglullis@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        4 posts per hour on an instance with 12 thousand active users, and the only reason the mas.to admin found to complain about it is “it pollutes the local timeline”.

        I’m sorry, this is beyond stupid. The bot was not abusing any hashtags, the bots were split among different locations precisely to make them relevant only for the people in a certain location. Yeah, OP could’ve changed the bots to “quiet public” listing, but (a) this is a new “feature” from Mastodon and (b) relevant only for people who are anal about the “local timeline”, which in an instance of 12 thousand people is as useful as any random firehose.

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  • rglullis@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    How many of these bots existed on Twitter and were used to illustrate the point that the API being open was important to have a thriving ecosystem?

    But this is not even why I am calling out the parent. I just find it ridiculous that OP brings a whole list of more-than-reasonable issues with Mastodon (and by extension the Fediverse):

    1. Federation does not work (Federation is wrong structure for decentralized social media)
    2. Account migration does not work (Coupling of identity to server)
    3. Direct messaging does not work (Messages are not really private, and Mastodon pretends to make them so)
    4. Content moderation does not work (Relates to #1)
    5. **Live feeds do not work **(Much like “browsing by all” in Lemmy, it’s a really bad execution to try to solve the issue of content discovery)
    6. Mastodon development does not work (Slow, opinionated on the “wrong” things, failing to respond to user’s requests)
    7. Mastodon culture does not work (The stereotypical user is just anti-everything, most instances are full of school-hall monitors, reject anything that resembles mainstream and end up becoming incredibly reactionary, boring people cross-playing as armchair revolutionaries)

    And to all of that, the first response that we find here is some completely irrelevant pontification about how one “shouldn’t be using a microblog to send notifications”?

    Like, really? This is the type of things that we should be concerned about?

    What’s next?

    People shouldn’t write a “match threader” bot because “following sports updates is not the place for a discussion forum”?

    For crying out loud, have we completely forgotten how to have fun here?

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    • poVoq@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      The bot issue is what both OP mainly quoted and also what the author of the article is complaining about as the issue that got them to quit. So you are wondering that people point out that this bot use is clear service abuse?

      It only works on Twitter, because Twitter immediatly hides those bots via their algorithm, which apparently is also bad when the Mastodon instance admin suggested something very similar?

      As for the rest of the article… mostly nonsense or rather a fundamental misunderstanding what ActivityPub wants to achive. Only point 3 and 6 have any merit and 6 can be easily solved by using another fediverse software.

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      • rglullis@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        I guess you are (like the parent I responded to) too hung up on a technicality and missing the forest for the trees.

        You can bet that even if OP decided to use his own instance to run the bots, there would be admins that would find reason to complain. Why would I be so sure of that? Because that’s exactly what happened with alien.top.

        Like any “exit interview” or “break up talk”, the exact reasons that make someone leave the platform is not the real signal. The real signal to me here is that ActivityPub had one person interested in building stuff (doesn’t matter if they are good or not), they were completely unwelcomed about it, and then they decided to move on to Bluesky.

        Do you think that the Bluesky people are going to be nagging OP with this stupid “you can’t have fun here!” mentality? At the end of the day, where do you think newcomers will be more interested in trying out stuff? In our playground or on Bluesky’s?

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    • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Blocked for bot spam

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• jonathan@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  People who use that phrase lack any sense of irony or self awareness.

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