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rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

and of course it’s showcasing the rarer jihadist terrorists instead of widespread Nazism and racism

Are you fucking serious?

It’s infuriating, baffling, plainly disgusting how your typical progressive westerner is just blind to usual neo-Nazi skinheads doing a murder or two in a month, while jihadists massacre whole towns, share videos in Telegram on scale, and western politicians shake hands with their leaders and condemn the victims (calling them “Assad supporters to blame for outbreak of violence” or something like that).

Nazism is dead, there’s no nation-state with an army with that as national ideology.

More than half of Sunni-majority nation-states agree on anything if it involves Sunnis massacring someone else, or involving jihad. And of those the most notable are Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, that kind of countries which your usual westerner considers normal.

They literally loudly and officially agree that murdering Christians and Yazidis and Alawites and whomever I’ve forgotten is fine, and your typical progressive westerner parrots that it’s fine, nothing to look at, Christians and Yazidis and Alawites are not on the list of approved victims.

That said, jihadists are a subset of Nazis, just a not very stereotypical one for a westerner.

And I see no problem with porn.

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Ibuthyr@lemmy.wtf ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Nazism is dead, there’s no nation-state with an army with that as national ideology.

u wot m8? You really don’t see the current situation evolving toward just sich a thing? In 4 years from now, literal Neo-Nazis will likely have the majority of the German votes. It’s Germans being Nazis again. Fuck you and your dumb fucking arguments. There has literally never been a greater threat to everyone’s freedom as right now. Fuck you and your edgy take on “Westerners”. We are living lives in the west after all.

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- rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  4 years from now is not the same as now, and in my opinion literal neo-Nazis are not worse than your current politicians being nice and cozy with mass murderers
  
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sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Nazism is dead, there’s no nation-state with an army with that as national ideology.

Idk, Russia seems to be taking a lot from the fascist playbook.

Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, that kind of countries which your usual westerner considers normal.

I don’t know about Turkey or Qatar, but Saudi Arabia makes me sick. Same w/ Iran and a bunch of other countries that believe something like Shariah law is okay, and killing people based on religion or lack thereof is also fine.

That said, jihadists are a subset of Nazis, just a not very stereotypical one for a westerner.

Agreed. The problem has little to do with Islam, the problem is intolerance and believing that hurting those who disagree w/ you is acceptable. Jihadists are the current group taking that to the extreme, and they’re being enabled by aggressive, imperial powers like the US and parts of NATO.

The root of the problem is intolerance.

I see no problem with porn.

I do, but it’s not something that leads to violence, but instead leads to problems in romantic relationships. So it’s not relevant here whatsoever.

My main problem here is the parents were completely AFK and uninvolved in their 12yos life.

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- OmegaLemmy@discuss.online ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Turkey has the racism, Qatar has, uh, not sure actually.
  
  Turkey has actively culturally neutered Kurds, and funded terrorist groups in Libya, Sudan and even assists Israel behind closed doors.
  
  Jihadist wouldn’t have been that much of an issue if USA left a stable government in Iraq to begin with
  
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- rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  Idk, Russia seems to be taking a lot from the fascist playbook.
  
  It’s different, Russia has basically a not very old hereditary elite, families of former communists willing to believe they are some kind of smart mafia, while in fact they are thieves. They have a really sensitive collective ego, and are desperately trying to prove they are worth some respect, at least in the form of fear. They are not real fascists, that elite, they are just mimicking fascists to try to get some of that respect, because fascists seem respected, “real”, for them.
  
  It’s the good old inferiority complex of the Soviet elite, same reason why Baltic countries were made some sort of nice cleaned up version of USSR for westerners, or why there existed that parallel infrastructure of comfortable existence for foreign communists living in the USSR, or why that elite was measuring their status by ability to get something from abroad. They always felt that their own thing is not real.
  
  It maybe goes to the very root, where actual Bolsheviks around year 1917 were mostly Germanophiles, and their ideal state was some idealized communist version of the German Empire, scaled for the planet. Their intention was to only start the revolution in Russia, bring it to Germany and let it develop somehow.
  
  Sorry for many words.
  
  I mean, that’s one of the traits of fascism by Eco, but in his list it wasn’t as capitalized.
  
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  - sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    It maybe goes to the very root, where actual Bolsheviks around year 1917 were mostly Germanophiles, and their ideal state was some idealized communist version of the German Empire, scaled for the planet. Their intention was to only start the revolution in Russia, bring it to Germany and let it develop somehow.
    
    That’s fascist though.
    
    Communism doesn’t require spreading, and once you put people in charge to spread any ideology at the expense of the people, you’re fascist, since fascism is generally putting the needs of the “state” (however you define that) above the needs of the people. If you look at the rhetoric coming from Russia about the war in Ukraine, that’s pretty much exactly what we see: we need to do this for the benefit of Russia (not Russians). They’re appealing to a national identity, not any sense of pragmatic benefits for the people.
    
    The same is largely true for the USSR. At the start it may have been a worker revolution, but it quickly devolved into a “sacrifice for the good of the nation” type situation. After it fell, the elite took the place of the state and largely continued with that same mantle. It’s always been about doing what’s best for Russia, not what’s best for Russians. If it was about what’s best for Russians, they probably would’ve joined NATO and maybe the EU, because so much of their trade is with Europe. But that would destroy the chance for Russia to stay relevant as a world superpower.
    
    We have the same type of problem here in the US. I would say we’re probably not quite as far down that path as Russia because we have a strong-enough economy to actually support our imperialist endeavors (so it’s less of a hit to the average person), but there’s still the focus on the needs of the nation instead of the needs of the people:
    
    And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country.
    
    JFK
    
    That’s completely backwards. We should be asking what value the government is providing for us, and ideally strip away everything else. Is bombing Houthis in Yemen helping us? How? What about supporting Israel’s war in Gaza? Why should I be sacrificing myself for a country that does things I disagree with?
    
    That whole “sacrifice for the good of the nation” is absolutely stupid. Sacrifice because it makes you and those you love better off in the long run. If you’re attacked by an oppressive regime, fighting against the regime is better than allowing them to subjugate you. That’s not “sacrificing for your country,” that’s sacrificing to prevent an even worse situation.
    
    Sorry for many words.
    
    Same. I can also get a bit wordy.
    
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    rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    Communism doesn’t require spreading, and once you put people in charge to spread any ideology at the expense of the people,
    
    It was a common idea that socialism in just one country is not sustainable. The forces threatened by it will destroy it. It was also a common idea that if we unite people in classes and if planned economy is supposed to be more fair and bureaucracy more fair that self-ownership and centralized democracy more fair than decentralized, then group’s majority can be assumed to be the group. And that it’s needed to first conquer the world and then build communism. USSR was supposed to be a conventional, not communist, state, aimed at conquering the world and then building communism.
    
    The same is largely true for the USSR. At the start it may have been a worker revolution, but it quickly devolved into a “sacrifice for the good of the nation” type situation.
    
    It was “for the good of the future” usually, if you look at something like Pavel Kogan’s poetry. And again, that kind of marxists thought even before USSR that the collective is the person. That evolution is incrementing levels. From a person to a collective, from a collective to a centralized nation, from that to a centralized world. From that to space travel and many worlds. That’s why, in their opinion, their ideology was progressive.
    
    The way it was presented as humanist was that it will be more efficient, production-wise, and thus will make everyone happier through having nice things. That’s where the Soviet and ex-Soviet envy and pride in education\spirituality comes from, first communist ideology promised that we’ll drop all morality and and jump to future, and for that we’ll live better and it won’t matter who says what, and then it turned out that they didn’t start living better. Thus those attempts to present Soviet communist ideology as more moral, while it was completely materialist and demonstratively nihilist, didn’t touch upon good and evil at all, only factories and centralized organization allowing bigger efficiency (didn’t work). An inversion.
    
    Like some misguided idea of Azimov’s Empire.
    
    If it was about what’s best for Russians, they probably would’ve joined NATO and maybe the EU,
    
    No chance for Russia to join the EU without cleansing out that elite. Nobody wants to let in such a big bunch of thieves with ability to make their own rules. Of course, they’ve already let in some with the Baltic states, and they (the EU bureaucrats dreaming of similar power) really like that bunch, but fortunately people like Kaja Kallas and UvdL don’t make all the weather yet.
    
    NATO even less likely, NATO’s goal is maintaining world dominance of its existing members.
    
    But that would destroy the chance for Russia to stay relevant as a world superpower.
    
    No it wouldn’t. It would make its resources, including human resources, use so much more efficient that it would quadruple in weight probably.
    
    If you’re attacked by an oppressive regime, fighting against the regime is better than allowing them to subjugate you. That’s not “sacrificing for your country,” that’s sacrificing to prevent an even worse situation.
    
    It depends. There might be a situation where a similar own bunch of thieves beholds with glee how their competition in their own society vanishes on the frontlines. Then after some time that bunch makes all the deals good for them and not for you.
    
    No, individualism is always better. You are the person you know best, and the meaningful good deeds you can do are all near yourself and in your own context.
    
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merde@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
👆 that is an ignorant and hateful comment that should be ignored. This person clearly doesn’t know what they’re talking about.

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- rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  This person clearly doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
  
  I’m part Armenian and take maybe too much interest in middle-eastern things.
  
  What happens on the Syrian coast right now in your version?
  
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