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nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

The USSR was not thoroughly embedded in the world economies. Nor did it have as staunch of allies in major positions in EU government as the US does today. Don’t get me wrong, despite being in the US, I do think that countries divesting and becoming less dependent upon a slave state, like the US, is a good thing. However, as the “Great Recession” demonstrated, EU economies are very much entangled with the US economy, with few lessons seeming to have been learned in the last decade and a half.

Sure, the US might be more impacted, but the EU will not be unscathed, if there isn’t more effort to decouple and ditch neoliberal policies. That kind of stuff can’t happen overnight.

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Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

The USSR was not thoroughly embedded in the world economies.
Completely wrong.
Also we’re talking about Russia, not the USSR.
And they certainly did make radical changes almost overnight when forced.
My point is we need to untangle.
We are not ‘unscathed’ as it is now, on the contrary, we are suffering bcs of them.
The sooner we dump them the better.

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- nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  I think you accidentally blockquoted the whole thing. Probably can fix by adding a new line after each quote block.
  
  Completely wrong.
  
  I’d say, maybe, oversimplified. Until the later stages, no country was as extremely embedded in global economies as has occurred between the late 20th century and now. The soviets did embed themselves in places where they saw possible advantage over the West, saw opportunity for vassal states, and engaged in some of the aul’ imperialism. Even in Eastern Europe, it wasn’t as embedded as the US economy has become at this point. Greater levels of industrialization and not being dependent on high tech sectors that are largely US-controlled, as well as proximity to the EU made the economic stagnation easier to weather.
  
  Also we’re talking about Russia, not the USSR. And they certainly did make radical changes almost overnight when forced.
  
  Sorry. I had it framed in my head as a comparison between the breaking up of the USSR and potential dissolution of the US.
  
  My point is we need to untangle. We are not ‘unscathed’ as it is now, on the contrary, we are suffering bcs of them. The sooner we dump them the better.
  
  As someone living in the US, with a hard lean into anarchism, I absolutely agree with all of that. Allowing the US, with its push for unfettered, neoliberal capitalism to dig itself in and influence policy has caused extraordinary harm. Since the fall of the USSR, economic decision-makers in the US have seen no reason to improve the lives of the average citizen nor reasons not to intentionally bleed them dry for profit.
  
  If you don’t root out neoliberalism in Europe, the same will happen there (look at the UK).
  
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  - Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Yes the Soviets mostly traded with their sphere and they are/were probably the most autarkic state in the world but even at the height of the cold war, they kept trading with the US for example.
    Business over politics.
    The situation in Europe could get as bad as in the US and worse.
    Plenty of countries where it’s difficult to keep the extreme right out of power.
    I don’t see how it can be stopped.
    The ‘sanctions’ that massively backfired are destroying our economy. We know what that led to in the 30’s.
    And the insane governments and their media are determined to send the kids off to the eastern front again sice they have their scapegoat.
    Could be that soon you may consider yourself in the better position where Europe is getting destroyed in full on war while you are far away.
    Anyway, I wish us both good luck fir the bleak future.
    
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