Comment on Netanyahu Promises the “Final Stage” of Gaza Genocide Will Lead to Implementation of “Trump’s Plan"
Rom@hexbear.net 3 weeks agoThe Democrats dropped a candy bar on the ground and Trump shit on the floor. They then asked what I wanted for dinner.
Why can Democrats only offer candy bars for dinner when we need fresh fruits, vegetables, and actually healthy foods? Not to belabor the analogy, but the Democrats either don’t know what the right things to do are, or they do know but they don’t care. Do either of those options sound like a party that anyone should vote for?
I assume when we say ‘tankies’ we’re using the term as OP originally did, ie anyone who abstained from voting for Kamala because they don’t support genocide?
‘Tankies’ doesn’t mean anything, it’s a vibes word for “someone to the left of me I don’t like.” And most of the people who didn’t vote in 2024 aren’t leftist, because the American populace just isn’t.
I did not vote Democrat in 2024 because the Democrats are not entitled to my vote by pretending to be less awful than the other team. I did not vote Democrat anywhere on the ticket because I refuse to be complicit in genocide. That is the hard moral line I am taking. There is no excuse for genocide.
In light of comparing him to Trump though, Biden tried to set up a dock to distribute aid to Gazans when Israel tried to block it and continually threatened to stop sending these weapons if Israel bombed certain regions or were undertaking operations with crazy high civilian casualties.
Note that at no point did he stop sending weapons, the one action he could have taken at any time to actually stop the extermination. He did not want the genocide to stop.
And the dock was a joke that was never going to accomplish anything.
Trump’s policy is “let them bomb” and deporting people who disagree.
Evidently Biden’s policy was also “let them bomb,” as shown by the at least 14,000 tons of bombs he sent Netanyahu. And Biden deported more people than Trump 1.
Do you need a source for Biden providing aid and pressuring for Israel to deescalate while also funding them?
I don’t need a source to know that if he wanted to deescalate he could have just stopped sending them weapons at any time.
That’s not an excuse not to protest, but it is hypocritical of you guys to cause it to be much more risky to protest by allowing Trump to win and then try to blame others for not taking the risk.
We “caused it”? We “allowed Trump to win”? Who do you think your audience is? Nobody here voted for Trump. Unless you’re equating “not voting for Harris” with “voting for Trump” which is just baby-brained nonsense. The only thing that’s a vote for Trump is a vote for Trump.
I am boycotting American goods, and I have a recurring donation to the food bank to help bring aid to Gazans and other starving people.
Legitimately way more useful than voting.
Show me 3 examples
No
WhatsTheHoldup@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Corporate interests in politics. You and me donating to our favored candidates is nothing compared to the big money and lobbyists mega corporations are throwing around.
Democrats can’t offer fresh fruit because the chocolate lobby won’t let them.
It’s not any one party’s fault. It’s a systemic issue. People who don’t actually represent voters are being given disproportionately amount of money to run campaigns because they represent businesses.
That being said I don’t know if we should be looking at party as a whole but also who the candidates are.
If we pushed more progressive candidates like AOC who do call out Israel and show up to primaries we can steer the party to a more reasonable direction while realizing the 2 party system is broken and needs fixing.
I dont see how disengaging entirely from electoralism helps.
You got to keep your “moral line” but if it was at the cost of worse material conditions in Gaza and means Gazans got more bombs and their aid and rights watch groups defunded then I’m not sure I agree that was worth it.
Your suggestion that the material conditions of Gaza under Kamala would have been equally bad doesn’t feel very convincing.
And that’s not even mentioning the genocide in Ukraine. Biden was at least on the right side of that, Trump is certainly not.
I only brought that up because it seemed at that time you were trying to accuse me of not doing enough by asking how many protests I go to.
I’m saying that if you chose not to vote against fascism, it’s unfair to blame the people who did for not protesting now that it’s way more dangerous and they might be abducted, tortured and deported for doing so.
Had Kamala won there would be much less fear of protesting against her government.
You guys didn’t cause it per se, but you still can’t seem to agree that a fascist is worse than a neoliberal and I just don’t get what’s not obvious about that.
There ya go. Then I will continue to insist that the abduction and systematic targeting of students and academics on grounds of “wokeness” wasn’t happening under Biden.