Comment on Netanyahu Promises the “Final Stage” of Gaza Genocide Will Lead to Implementation of “Trump’s Plan"
WhatsTheHoldup@lemmy.ml 4 days agoDemocrats lost all on their own by pretending the economy was fine despite everyone clearly noticing it was not, and continuing to double down on supporting a deeply unpopular genocide. There are by far not enough ‘tankies’ in the US to sway an election like that. If we had that kind of power we’d be pushing our own party instead. 90 million people didn’t vote in 2024, what are a couple thousand at most terminally online leftists compared to that?
Yes they did, and they’re to blame for terrible messaging and gatekeeping democracy to force Kamala as the candidate without voter input.
90 million people didn’t vote in 2024, what are a couple thousand at most terminally online leftists compared to that?
OP threw out tankie as a bad faith term and we just kept using it
I assume when we say ‘tankies’ we’re using the term as OP originally did, ie anyone who abstained from voting for Kamala because they don’t support genocide?
Those are the people I’m talking about, not terminally online people.
The genocide was already bad under Democrats. No, we didn’t forget that Genocide Joe sent Israel hundreds of shipments of weapons and supported them full-heartedly in their slaughter of the Palestinian people.
Yes. Joe was sending weapons to aid the genocide. That’s terrible and no excuse.
In light of comparing him to Trump though, Biden tried to set up a dock to distribute aid to Gazans when Israel tried to block it and continually threatened to stop sending these weapons if Israel bombed certain regions or were undertaking operations with crazy high civilian casualties.
Trump’s policy is “let them bomb” and deporting people who disagree.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
Voting for Democrats would not have lead to fewer Gazan lives lost, because the Democrats don’t give a fuck about Gazan lives. Biden was already giving them all the weapons they needed, and Harris made no indication she was going to change course. Harris would have enabled the genocide same as Trump.
Okay, that’s a genuine argument if true.
I just am shocked you’d say that. I already demonstrated that Democrats care at least slightly more than Trump. Do you need a source for Biden providing aid and pressuring for Israel to deescalate while also funding them?
My god please take a step back and look at yourself. Examine your views and have an ounce of introspection.
I have, but I agree I should continue doing so going forward.
It is important to think hard on our values and that goes both ways.
So what protests are you going to? What are you doing to put pressure on the Dems?
I’m in Canada so I don’t have much I can do about US politics unfortunately unless you have some suggestions.
Our government put an arms embargo on Israel so we aren’t supposed to be funding them but as of 3 days ago apparently that promise is broken so going forward that’s an open question.
I am boycotting American goods, and I have a recurring donation to the food bank to help bring aid to Gazans and other starving people.
If your point is that I could do more, you’re certainly right. I’ll think on that.
Leftists did not cost the Democrats the election, Democrats just suck. Harris got 68 million votes in 2024 to Biden’s 81 million.
Yeah, they threw the election seemingly on purpose because transitionary president Biden who we already voted in as the lesser of two evils just to stop Trump’s second term decided he would take up space and prevent new candidates from stepping forward.
It was already happening under Biden, you were just content to ignore it.
I’m not content to ignore it, it wasn’t happening.
Show me 3 examples of university students having their green card revoked for attending a protest under Bidens administration and I will apologize.
Rom@hexbear.net 4 days ago
Why can Democrats only offer candy bars for dinner when we need fresh fruits, vegetables, and actually healthy foods? Not to belabor the analogy, but the Democrats either don’t know what the right things to do are, or they do know but they don’t care. Do either of those options sound like a party that anyone should vote for?
‘Tankies’ doesn’t mean anything, it’s a vibes word for “someone to the left of me I don’t like.” And most of the people who didn’t vote in 2024 aren’t leftist, because the American populace just isn’t.
I did not vote Democrat in 2024 because the Democrats are not entitled to my vote by pretending to be less awful than the other team. I did not vote Democrat anywhere on the ticket because I refuse to be complicit in genocide. That is the hard moral line I am taking. There is no excuse for genocide.
Note that at no point did he stop sending weapons, the one action he could have taken at any time to actually stop the extermination. He did not want the genocide to stop.
And the dock was a joke that was never going to accomplish anything.
Evidently Biden’s policy was also “let them bomb,” as shown by the at least 14,000 tons of bombs he sent Netanyahu. And Biden deported more people than Trump 1.
I don’t need a source to know that if he wanted to deescalate he could have just stopped sending them weapons at any time.
We “caused it”? We “allowed Trump to win”? Who do you think your audience is? Nobody here voted for Trump. Unless you’re equating “not voting for Harris” with “voting for Trump” which is just baby-brained nonsense. The only thing that’s a vote for Trump is a vote for Trump.
Legitimately way more useful than voting.
No
WhatsTheHoldup@lemmy.ml 4 days ago
Corporate interests in politics. You and me donating to our favored candidates is nothing compared to the big money and lobbyists mega corporations are throwing around.
Democrats can’t offer fresh fruit because the chocolate lobby won’t let them.
It’s not any one party’s fault. It’s a systemic issue. People who don’t actually represent voters are being given disproportionately amount of money to run campaigns because they represent businesses.
That being said I don’t know if we should be looking at party as a whole but also who the candidates are.
If we pushed more progressive candidates like AOC who do call out Israel and show up to primaries we can steer the party to a more reasonable direction while realizing the 2 party system is broken and needs fixing.
I dont see how disengaging entirely from electoralism helps.
You got to keep your “moral line” but if it was at the cost of worse material conditions in Gaza and means Gazans got more bombs and their aid and rights watch groups defunded then I’m not sure I agree that was worth it.
Your suggestion that the material conditions of Gaza under Kamala would have been equally bad doesn’t feel very convincing.
And that’s not even mentioning the genocide in Ukraine. Biden was at least on the right side of that, Trump is certainly not.
I only brought that up because it seemed at that time you were trying to accuse me of not doing enough by asking how many protests I go to.
I’m saying that if you chose not to vote against fascism, it’s unfair to blame the people who did for not protesting now that it’s way more dangerous and they might be abducted, tortured and deported for doing so.
Had Kamala won there would be much less fear of protesting against her government.
You guys didn’t cause it per se, but you still can’t seem to agree that a fascist is worse than a neoliberal and I just don’t get what’s not obvious about that.
There ya go. Then I will continue to insist that the abduction and systematic targeting of students and academics on grounds of “wokeness” wasn’t happening under Biden.