i know it’s difficult for liberals to remember anything further back then two SNLs ago, but we actually already had a widespread unrestrained genocide under biden
Comment on Netanyahu Promises the “Final Stage” of Gaza Genocide Will Lead to Implementation of “Trump’s Plan"
gregs_gumption@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Oh look a bunch of people from hexbear astroturfing. We get it, you folks are all boned up about Trump and are stoked for this genocide. No need to pretend like your aggressive campaigning for Trump wasn’t hugely successful.
The question isn’t “what would Harris have done differently”, we have no idea what she would have done here, but we do know that she publicly advocated for restraint and a two state solution. Trump is publicly advocating for this final solution.
The question you should be asking is “All things being equal on this issue, which candidate is better on the other important issues”? You asked yourselves this and decided that Trump was better on LGBTQ rights, minority rights, freedom of press and speech, labor rights, health care, the economy, the environment, and everything else.
Congratulations tankies, you got your widespread unrestrained genocide.
Sasuke@hexbear.net 3 weeks ago
ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 4 weeks ago
Congratulations tankies, you got your widespread unrestrained genocide.
Hey so I know this is just bad faith projection from someone who can’t accept that they threw away their humanity supporting a doomed fascist ethnostate. I know that. So rather than dignify your childlike ego protection with a similar response, allow me to highlight a concrete reality instead:
While you sit there, totally unable to accept your culpability in arguing for the “necessity” of genocide, spinning soothing tales to invert history and absolve yourself and lashing out at those who don’t entertain them, tankies were putting their lives on the line to stop the genocide you voted for.
Fortunately, unlike the liberal “Resistance”, these antifascists won’t immediately fold and become an entire party of enthusiastic collaborators the moment an opportunity presents itself.
ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 3 weeks ago
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 3 weeks ago
The Democratic nominee then went on to use terminology usually used in reference to Iran to refer to Israel. “The expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute fundamental necessity for the US to have the steady leadership there,” said Walz, while mistakenly referring Israel to Iran.
So the actual argument here is that despite all context, despite the question being about support for Isreal, despite what he said being perfectly cogent and despite his being immediately pulled back from public view by and angry DNC…despite all of this, he must have actually been talking about Iran, because he said ‘proxies’ and that’s a propaganda term we use for Iran, soo…he must have just meant to talk about Iran in this answer about supporting Israel for some reason. That’s the actual argument of this piece.
You must not have read it, right? There’s no way you would link me the war propaganda equivalent of this …
…if you knew in advance how utterly craven and hollow it was.
You expect me to believe that Tim Walz was trying to say something that didnt make any fucking sense, and accidentally flubbed his way into saying something that does make sense and lines up with the US government’s actual deeds. Furthermore, you expect me to believe this was just a meaningless flub despite that party being so mad about it that they never let him do a speech or debate after that.
You are breathlessly praising the fine stitching of the emperor’s clothes, I am looking at an imperial penis.
Rom@hexbear.net 3 weeks ago
Being against Harris/the Democrats does not mean we are in support of Trump/the Republicans. This might come as a surprise to you, but we hate Trump and the GOP, too.
WhatsTheHoldup@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
I’m a lib but I want to have a dialogue that’s less shit throwing and more genuine.
Just because someone is against Harris/the Democrats does not automatically mean they are in support of Trump/the Republicans.
Agreed.
This might come as a surprise to you, but we hate Trump and the GOP, too.
Not a surprise, totally know that and appreciate you guys for it.
We’re just not under any illusions that the Democrats are going to fix anything.
So neither am I, but I feel frustrated because we need to be protesting and making noise on this issue.
Its frustrating because our shared goal is to end the genocide, but you guys by staying home that election sabotaged this goal for us both and made the genocide worse than before.
If you focus on the material conditions of Gaza and think “which vote is going to lead to less Gazan lives lost” voting for Kamala seemed like a no brainer.
It’s only when you bring your own ego into it “well I will never support genocide” that comes across like you’re willing to sacrifice Gazan lives to feel self righteous.
Had many of these tankies voted Kamala instead of staying home it would be so mucy easier to form a protest and get the pressure cooking on the dems
But because they stayed home (regardless of justification you might have) we’ve now lost the right to protest and many university students, scientists and academics are being disappeared into the night for speaking out.
This simply would not have happened under Kamala.
Rom@hexbear.net 3 weeks ago
but you guys by staying home that election sabotaged this goal for us both and made the genocide worse than before
Democrats lost all on their own. A bunch of fringe internet shitposters do not have anywhere near enough power to sway an election lol.
The genocide was already bad under Democrats. No, we didn’t forget that Genocide Joe sent Israel hundreds of shipments of weapons.
If you focus on the material conditions of Gaza and think “which vote is going to lead to less Gazan lives lost” voting for Kamala seemed like a no brainer.
Voting for Democrats would not have lead to fewer Gazan lives lost, because, again, the Democrats don’t give a fuck about Gazan lives.
It’s only when you bring your own ego into it “well I will never support genocide” that comes across like you’re willing to sacrifice Gazan lives to feel self righteous about your values.
Please look in a mirror.
Had many of these tankies voted Kamala instead of staying home it would be so mucy easier to form a protest and get the pressure cooking on the dems
No amount of pressure is going to change the Dem’s minds. They do not give a fuck about you and never have.
But because they stayed home (regardless of justification you might have) we’ve now lost the right to protest and many university students, scientists and academics are being disappeared into the night for speaking out.
Leftists did not cost the Democrats the election, Democrats just suck.
This simply would not have happened under Kamala.
It was already happening under Biden.
WhatsTheHoldup@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Democrats lost all on their own by pretending the economy was fine despite everyone clearly noticing it was not, and continuing to double down on supporting a deeply unpopular genocide. There are by far not enough ‘tankies’ in the US to sway an election like that. If we had that kind of power we’d be pushing our own party instead. 90 million people didn’t vote in 2024, what are a couple thousand at most terminally online leftists compared to that?
Yes they did, and they’re to blame for terrible messaging and gatekeeping democracy to force Kamala as the candidate without voter input.
90 million people didn’t vote in 2024, what are a couple thousand at most terminally online leftists compared to that?
OP threw out tankie as a bad faith term and we just kept using it
I assume when we say ‘tankies’ we’re using the term as OP originally did, ie anyone who abstained from voting for Kamala because they don’t support genocide?
Those are the people I’m talking about, not terminally online people.
The genocide was already bad under Democrats. No, we didn’t forget that Genocide Joe sent Israel hundreds of shipments of weapons and supported them full-heartedly in their slaughter of the Palestinian people.
Yes. Joe was sending weapons to aid the genocide. That’s terrible and no excuse.
In light of comparing him to Trump though, Biden tried to set up a dock to distribute aid to Gazans when Israel tried to block it and continually threatened to stop sending these weapons if Israel bombed certain regions or were undertaking operations with crazy high civilian casualties.
Trump’s policy is “let them bomb” and deporting people who disagree.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
Voting for Democrats would not have lead to fewer Gazan lives lost, because the Democrats don’t give a fuck about Gazan lives. Biden was already giving them all the weapons they needed, and Harris made no indication she was going to change course. Harris would have enabled the genocide same as Trump.
Okay, that’s a genuine argument if true.
I just am shocked you’d say that. I already demonstrated that Democrats care at least slightly more than Trump. Do you need a source for Biden providing aid and pressuring for Israel to deescalate while also funding them?
My god please take a step back and look at yourself. Examine your views and have an ounce of introspection.
I have, but I agree I should continue doing so going forward.
It is important to think hard on our values and that goes both ways.
So what protests are you going to? What are you doing to put pressure on the Dems?
I’m in Canada so I don’t have much I can do about US politics unfortunately unless you have some suggestions.
Our government put an arms embargo on Israel so we aren’t supposed to be funding them but as of 3 days ago apparently that promise is broken so going forward that’s an open question.
I am boycotting American goods, and I have a recurring donation to the food bank to help bring aid to Gazans and other starving people.
If your point is that I could do more, you’re certainly right. I’ll think on that.
Leftists did not cost the Democrats the election, Democrats just suck. Harris got 68 million votes in 2024 to Biden’s 81 million.
Yeah, they threw the election seemingly on purpose because transitionary president Biden who we already voted in as the lesser of two evils just to stop Trump’s second term decided he would take up space and prevent new candidates from stepping forward.
It was already happening under Biden, you were just content to ignore it.
I’m not content to ignore it, it wasn’t happening.
Show me 3 examples of university students having their green card revoked for attending a protest under Bidens administration and I will apologize.
anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 3 weeks ago
You’re so unbelievably stupid to say this, it has to be denial and guilt.
Soulless lib.
OldSoulHippie@hexbear.net 3 weeks ago
Shut the fuck up loser
brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 3 weeks ago
Genocide denier
Xenomorph@hexbear.net 4 weeks ago
We literally have people on hb from gaza who fundraise and we donate to them. What crack are you smoking where we advocate for trump and cheerlead palestinian genocide??
Gucci_Minh@hexbear.net 4 weeks ago
They are mad 99% hitler lost and 100% hitler won. Oh boy genocidal zionist candidate vs genocidal zionist candidate, I love voooooting for the lesser evil.
Xenomorph@hexbear.net 4 weeks ago
So mad they just make shit up:
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