Comment on After 50 million miles, Waymos crash a lot less than human drivers

• Melonpoly@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Bicycles? ride/ walk to were you need to be? Why do you need to be driven to an exact point? All the space needed for parking is just wasted.

  You need to create a specific scenario in order to make cars seem more efficient than alternatives. They cause more accidents, take up more space while carrying fewer people at any given time while also causing more pollution than other modes of transport.

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  • Amoxtli@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Automated vehicles are GPS guided. The US is too big to be walking and biking. That is for an urban environment with proper zoning laws, and serves what amounts to be an ethnic group who shouldn’t need cars. What makes automated vehicles more efficient is the removal of labor and lower operational costs. The specialization of transporting people to the exact GPS coordinates is much more convenient. The future is automated travel because it is much more efficient and vehicles can be used more productively on the margin than everybody having to own their own car. This technology can be used in bus transit systems as well.

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    • Melonpoly@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The “US is too big” is such a bullshit excuse since cars are absolutely crap for long distances compared to trains people already walk and cycle in the US. And why is the richest and most powerful (for now at least) country in the world unable to fix it’s zoning laws? Especially since other countries seem to be able to do it.

      Yes, efficiency in reducing the amount of people with jobs but not by getting people from a to b. What is convenient is not having to own a car in the first place and be able to get around with ease because of proper urban planning.

      The future is automated travel because vehicles can be used more productively on the margin than everybody having to own their own car. Fewer cars, higher use of the car, or less idling, means lower transportation costs throughout, which includes infrastructure itself; the less need for insurance, less pollution, etc. This technology can be used in bus transit systems as well for a less marginal benefit.

      Sooo like a what’s already possible with trains and trams? And buses on dedicated lanes would be far easier to automate and be more efficient than cars.

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      • Amoxtli@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Trains are for long distances. Trams are for pure urban areas. Metros are for connecting cities within a metropolitan group. All those function within a well planned urban structure, not the suburbs, or exurbs. Cars are the most efficient. That is why most Americans own a car. Without a car, you are asking for long walking distances, and long bike rides. City transit systems don’t work in the US, because too many criminals are out in public, and people like their own space. Americans like their own space. Again, you are talking about a specific type of living, that most Americans don’t really gravitate to. Americans want a large house in a safe neighborhood in the suburbs, or live in the exurbs.

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    • gregs_gumption@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      lol

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• meco03211@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If someone can’t walk a few blocks, that’s on them. Airplanes don’t get you exactly to the destination either. There’s a tradeoff.

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  • Zexks@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah fuck disabled and elderly people.

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    • gregs_gumption@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Public transportation and walkable cities are much better for the elderly and disabled who often can’t drive due to their age and disability?

      Taking a wheel chair or mobility scooter or be guided by your service dog are all subsets of “walk there”.

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  • Emi@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Rip disabled people.

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  • Flisty@mstdn.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    @meco03211 @Jayk0b cars can't either - it's a false premise. Not everything is drive-thru. How far is, say, the bakery section from your car when you go to the supermarket?

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• acutfjg@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You ever heard of legs? Mass transit gets you the bulk of the way there, and legs will handle the small bit left.

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• WalnutLum@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  In terms of getting to an exact location, the most efficient is no vehicle, walking.

  Cars are less efficient, followed by busses, then probably trains, then boats, then airplanes (unless you parachute).

  Cars are the least efficient in terms of moving large numbers of people from places they can then walk from.

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  • Amoxtli@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It is hard to take you seriously. Open up Google Maps in the USA, and see how long it takes you to walk, and bike to a place. People buy the expense of a car for a reason; biking, and walking, is the least efficient. Bus transit systems does not work in the US, because everything has to be planned around them. They’re bureaucratic, and rote.

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  • pennomi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The most efficient is obviously a combination of methods, using the fastest methods for each leg of the journey.

    In the US, right now, taking a car from point to point, then walking into your location is the fastest combination in most cases.

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