Comment on Servo vs Ladybird.

• mox@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  “Personal politics” is a vague phrase that generally just means someone’s views and priorities. There is nothing pejorative about it, nor in the way he used it.

  In other words, Andreas insists the OS developer be referred to as “he/him” instead of not assuming gender.

  The build instructions in question follow English language conventions that have existed for hundreds of years (and are shared by more than few other languages). All he did was decline someone’s proposed change that would have applied a very new convention regarding pronouns for a hypothetical person. This is not the same as insisting that anyone refer to anyone else in a particular way.

  It’s also not unreasonable. We can ask people to adopt new conventions, but we don’t get to expect or demand it.

  Change to a language takes time.

  It’s textbook misogyny.

  No, it is not.

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  • CitricBase@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    It’s textbook misogyny.

    No, it is not.

    Yes, it is.

    It’s sexist when you assume someone is a man because they’re a doctor. It’s sexist when you assume someone is a woman because they’re a nurse. And it’s sexist when you assume someone is a man because they’re an OS developer.

    When you continue insisting that the OS developer be a man, even though it’s been clarified to you that they just as well may not be, that’s when your behavior crosses the line to misogynistic.

    It isn’t a fucking “convention” to push women down by insinuating they’re not welcome in your profession, and it’s not a “new convention” to fucking avoid doing that.

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    • mox@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      None of what you claim was done in the document being discussed.

      It isn’t a fucking “convention” to push women down

      No, but choosing either the male or female pronoun when writing about a hypothetical person has been the convention for a long time, and using the male one has been the usual default for far longer than any of us has been alive. It’s not to push women down; it’s a grammar compromise, and is not exclusive English.

      You are misunderstanding the language as it was used, and you have jumped to a false conclusion that seems to make you so angry that you think it’s okay to publicly vilify someone… for your own mistake.

      I hope things get better for you.

      Good day.

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  • RandomVideos@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    a very new convention regarding pronouns

    Singular they is old. It may be newer than the gender neutral he, but its not new

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    • mox@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Certain forms of singular they are old, but the drive to use it as a general convention is new.

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      • pogmommy@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Nobody ask this person their thoughts on federal marriage law conventions in the us in the year 2015

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  • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    pronouns are really nothing new. he/him has meant a male person for hundreds of years, didn’t it?

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    • mox@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      And for a hypothetical person, whose gender is unknowable.

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      • NGnius@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Someone with undetermined/unknowable gender would use the pronouns they/them, never he/him.

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