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Are there any pros for still keeping hostages? Those few dozens of people are not worth it. I’d say release them all just to prove a point that Israel won’t stop. See what they will say in their public announcements next.

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geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Since Israel and the collective Western civilization do not appear to posses any morality, those prisoners are the only leverage Hamas has. They would be crazy to give it up for free.

Israelis are protesting to get their prisoners back, not because they want to end the genocide and care about Palestinians. Plenty if polls have proven this.

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- rdri@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  
  They would be crazy to give it up for free
  
  They already released 33 of them, and had about 2000 prisoners released by Israel. Are you going to say “we need to still keep the remaining ones to make Israel release 2000 more” or are you going to say “the bombing casualties are big but they are less than 2000 so let’s still keep the hostages”, or I dunno, maybe “those prisoners are more valuable than hostages and any possible casualties”?
  
  Israelis are protesting to get their prisoners back, not because they want to end the genocide and care about Palestinians. Plenty if polls have proven this.
  
  Are prisoners supposed to fix that or what? What about the rest of the protesters around the world? Do you not consider the possibility of those protesters to increase in numbers if there would be no hostages?
  
  As much as I want to understand the point, I don’t see how the remaining hostages are going to benefit Gaza. There are not enough of them. They are not worth it.
  
  The OP image should have also highlighted the second paragraph.
  
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  - geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    What have protests achieved? People voted for Harris and Trump in droves.
    
    The West does not care. There is no reason for Palestine to appeal to their Nazi oppressors.
    
    Israel took many released hostages back to the torture camp. Israel is the least trustworthy opponent of all time. There is no good faith with them.
    
    Israel already said they would continue the genocide even if Hamas released their captives.
    
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    rdri@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Those Nazi oppressors released 2000 people for just 33 hostages.
    
    Israel took many released hostages back to the torture camp.
    
    Oh really? Fine then. Let’s say Israel will be doing it to 100% of people they release. Then what else could Hamas possibly achieve by still keeping the hostages?
    
    There is no good faith with them.
    
    I could say the same about Hamas.
    
    Israel already said they would continue the genocide even if Hamas released their captives.
    
    All the more reason to stop wasting resources on hostages.
    
    Are those hostages made from gold or something? Why people seem to protect them from possible release? If it’s so difficult to just release them - ask Hamas to kill them all. We know it won’t change anything, right? But then they could concentrate on other things that are possibly more meaningful for their own survival.
    
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crapwittyname@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Absolutely they should give up their only bargaining chip. That will leave them in a stronger position, obviously, as they will be literally decimated -but- they can then complain about how ruthlessly they were destroyed. I’m sure the arbiter will just put everything back as it was before any of this mess even happened.

Especially since the arbiter is one Donald J. Trump, a Colossus of a man with an immaculate reputation for fairness, and a knack for both resurrecting eradicated families and magically repairing destroyed infrastructure with a flick of his wand. Yes, release the hostages unconditionally, I’m sure it’ll just work out for you if you, I dunno, pray hard enough. (But not like that, though. We don’t recognise that kind of prayer)

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- rdri@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Do we see any adequate attempts to do the bargaining though? Do we know that all the hostages are alive and well? Because having only a corpse of some hostage is not good for bargaining.
  
  Yes, let’s have those ~50 stay in an unknown state somewhere, and ignore the possibility of Israel bombings to cease or result in lesser casualties, in case those are released.
  
  Thr arbiter, last I saw in the news, “gave the green light to Israel” because the hostages were not released.
  
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  - crapwittyname@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Well you’ve used the qualifier “adequate”, which means there’s an undefined set of criteria for bargaining that you deem acceptable. However there was until three days ago a ceasefire in place. A ceasefire by its existence proves that some bargaining has been done.
    There were no provisions in the ceasefire that allowed Israel to attack under the conditions in which they did. Am unconditional and complete release of hostages by 18/03/2025 was not one of the conditions imposed upon Hamas. Israel contravened the ceasefire. Therefore by giving the green light, the arbiter was violently remiss in his duties to uphold it impartially.
    No idea where you get your news, but if you look at multiple sources from the time the ceasefire was signed (mid January), you’ll see the terms of the ceasefire, and you’ll see that Hamas did not break them.
    
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    rdri@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    
    that you deem acceptable
    
    Releasing about 2000 people for 33 hostages is more than acceptable. Keeping remaining ~50 at this point is strange. “Keep bombing us, killing hundreds, but we will not release your 50 people (out of which you think only half are alive), we need you to… release more of our people” or what?
    
    You are going to just accept it as is, wait until bombings will wipe out all of Gaza, but still tell how those 50 hostages are important for some bargaining?
    
    Whatever they could theoretically gain for those remaining hostages (if they wanted that) is not worth the risk of further bombings. If anything, they waste resources on keeping them alive (if they really do that).
    
    No idea where you get your news, but if you look at multiple sources from the time the ceasefire was signed (mid January), you’ll see the terms of the ceasefire, and you’ll see that Hamas did not break them.
    
    This is the part about Trump. archive.md/lkD5b
    
    According to this, Hamas rejected proposition by Israel on march 1. Which then triggered Israel. cbc.ca/…/israel-gaza-ceasefire-talks-1.7472338
    
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