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Comment on Germany to reach out to France and UK over sharing of nuclear weapons

MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

Just curious from an American here -

Why should the EU have treated the UK better during brexit? It was clear at the time that they were weakening Europe and themselves on the back of things like immigrant fear stoked by far right and Russian propaganda.

The people of the UK that voted leave or didn’t bother to vote fucked themselves didn’t they?

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NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
They shouldn’t. The “No” campaign ran flat-out lies about what Britain would be able to get out of negotiations, claiming we “hold all the cards”. We did not.

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- aaron@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Well clearly we did hold cards. The very post you replied to has pointed out exactly the cards we held, and still hold.
  
  But his isn’t a brexit argument, that is a long-resolved issue. T
  
  his is about the UK’s relationship with the EU. (And notice I say EU, not Europe. I read media reports conflating the EU with Europe every week. Even this week talking of EU countries creating a ‘European Army’: well if they are going to exclude the UK from Europe so be it, why wouldn’t we maintain our special relationship with the US, and lean towards Russia, while maintaining our friendly relationship with China?
  
  You reap what you sow.
  
  Now if the EU wants the protection of our nuclear weapons they demonstrate how the have significantly changed their attitude towards the UK on an ongoing basis and the EU’s role in EUrope, and they pay economically.
  
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aaron@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
They did everything they could to weaken the UK. To punish the UK for deciding to leave the EU.

No quarter given.

I think it is perfectly reasonable for the UK to give no quarter back now that the Germans are asking for the protection of our nuclear weapons.

Now, to some degree the UK is going to remain aligned with the US. Our military and intelligence capabilities seem to be very much intertwined. The alternative for the EU, a UK completely aligned with the US, Russia, and a friend of China, is the alternative.

Perhaps they should have been reasonable when the UK decided to leave the EU.

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- hessenjunge@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Curiously, this “reality” of yours doesn’t mention any of the metric ton of lies told by Farage, Johnson, etc. For example, that bus claiming millions of pounds would go to the NHS after Brexit. You correctly state People are hurt by conservative policies, however Brits keep voting for them. You could have voted for Corbyn - you chose not to. Instead of keeping to ask for a special deal, after special deal after special deal as Britain did before, and during Brexit, just negotiate like normal people.
  
  what’s the alternative to nuke sharing? Germany builds its own arsenal and you have no stake or say in it whatsoever. Does that sound more appealing to you?
  
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  - aaron@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    I am not the slightest bit interested in the majority of your post, it is irrelevant. However I will say that I sense you might assume political affiliations I do not hold.
    
    what’s the alternative to nuke sharing? Germany builds its own arsenal and you have no stake or say in it whatsoever. Does that sound more appealing to you?
    
    If Germany are allowed under international law to build nuclear weapons then it is their choice whether they do so or not. I don’t mind either way.
    
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