Comment on Surprise! People don't want AI deciding who gets a kidney transplant and who dies or endures years of misery

SabinStargem@lemmings.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

• RangerJosey@lemmy.ml ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  If it wasn’t exclusively used for evil it would be a wonderful thing.

  Unfortunately we also have capitalism. So everything has to be just the worst all the time so that the worst people alive can have more toys.

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  • SabinStargem@lemmings.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Thing is, those terrible people don’t enjoy the everything that they already own, and don’t understand that they are killing cool things in the crib. People make inventions and entertain if they can…because it is fun, and they think they got neat things to show the world. Problem is, prosperity is needed to allow people to have the luxury of trying to create.

    The wealthy are murdering the golden geese of culture and technology. They won’t be happier for it, and will simply use their chainsaw to keep killing humanity in a desperate wish of finding happiness.

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• melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  a reflection of who is in charge of it

  not even that. it’s an inherently more regressive version of whatever data that person feeds it.

  the two arguments for deploying this shit outside of very narrow laboratory uses, where everyone was already using other statistical models.

  A. this is one last grasp at fukuyama’s ‘end of history’, one last desperate scream of the liberal order that they want to be regressive shit heads and build the abdication machine as their grand industrial-philosophical project, so they can do whatever horrible shit they want, and claim that they’re still compassionate and only doing it because computer said so.

  B. this is a project by literal monarchists. people who wish to kill democracy. to murder truth and collaboration; replace it with blind tribalistic loyalty to a fuhrer/king. the rhetoric coming from a lot of the funders of these things supports this.

  this technology is existentially evil, and will be the end of our society either way. it must be stopped. the people who work on it must be stopped. the people who fund it must be hanged.

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  • j4yt33@feddit.org ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I mean yes, but it can be VERY useful in these narrow laboratory use cases

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    • melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      im skeptical but open to that. it’s just that these models are pushing pushed into literally everything, to the point they’re hard to avoid. I can’t think of another kind of specialized lab tool that has had that done. I do not own, nor have I ever owned, a sample centrifuge. I don’t have CRISPR tools. I have never, outside of academic settings, opened wolfram alpha on my home computer. even AUTOCAD and solidworks are specialist tools, and I haven’t touched any version of either in years.

      because these models, while not good for anything anyone should ever actually want outside a lab setting, are also very very good for fascism. they do everything a fascist needs to, aside from the actual physical killing.

      and I don’t think the level of development and deployment that these tools get, along with the wildly inflated price of the hardware to run them (or anything else) and death of web search, the damage to academic journals, etc, is a net benefit. even to specialized researchers who have uses for specialized versions of them as the statistical tool that they are. certainly not to the fields over the long term.

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      • j4yt33@feddit.org ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Why shouldn’t they have long term benefits for researchers?

        Reminds me a bit of when CRISPR got big, people were worried to no end about potential dangers, designer babies, bioterrorism (“everybody can make a killer virus in their garage now”) etc. In reality, it has been a huge leap forward for molecular biology and has vastly helped research, cancer treatment, drug development and many other things. I think machine learning could have a similar impact. It’s already being used in development of new drugs, genomics, detection of tumours just to name a few

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