Comment on What exactly is the Fediverse?
breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 3 days agoI think that ATP and nostr are sometimes included as part of the Fediverse because they both have bridges that allow connection. Without the bridges they’re isolated.
XMPP also has a working ActivityPub bridge. But I think at some point these bridges are a bridge too far.
Software like Friendica or Hubzilla that can speak multiple protocols including AP are clearly part of the Fediverse, but things that need 3rd party bridges IMHO are not, as the creators clearly do no intend them to be part of it. Otherwise Xhitter would be also part of the Fediverse as bridges exist(ed in the past at least).
Wasn’t the Twitter “bridge” just bot accounts though? It’s a bit different with Bluesky because they’ve said that they completely support bridges between AT and AP but just don’t have the resources to work on them themselves. Anyway, ActivityPub co-author Even Prodromou gave an interview yesterday where he included Bluesky as part of the Fediverse because of the bridge.
Personally, I consider them to be both part of and not part of the Fediverse, I guess. I wouldn’t send someone there and I also kind of think they’re a bunch of dicks for re-inventing the wheel instead of contributing improvements here.
Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
ATP still requires millions to host a relay theverge.com/…/free-our-feeds-social-media-ecosys…
FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 days ago
This isn’t the same thing.
Bluesky has something called fedibridge (third party), where your entire account is forwarded to mastodon and acts like a native mastodon account when viewed from mastodon.
A relay is something that hosts the viewable content on the ATprotocol. Currently, the only relay that encompasses the entire AT protocol is hosted by bluesky PBC, though there are a few very small relays for specific niches.
Irelephant@lemm.ee 2 days ago
Are you talking about bridgy fed?
FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
ja fedibridge bridgyfed im mincing words
Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
I was mostly referring to the fact that the day Bluesky decides to ban bridges, ATProto won’t be part the Fediverse as per the definition of the comment above.
I personally prefer to just consider them as out from the start.