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sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

The issue wasn’t framed as being a “drive-by,” though later that’s what they claimed. It was about ideology.

But that’s the problem, it’s both a drive-by, useless change and a politically motivated one. If you show up to a project and submit a change that violates multiple rules, it’s dealer’s choice which one to pick.

With asynchronous discussions like this, it’s impossible to know their motivations, so it’s helpful to assume the best instead of the worst.

Check this out: mkultra.monster/tech/…/serenityos-and-ladybird

From that:

In order to not look like I’m just repeating myself over and over, here is another pull request where a user fixed the specifically gendered language, and was denied

Here’s the PR in question. It was merged, probably because it didn’t just change “he” to “they” in one spot (but did just that in a few spots), but actually fixed confusing language.

And then after it was merged, there were tons of irrelevant comments about the policy and other PRs.

The one I pulled here included changes from the other rejected PRs. Maybe this was by a different reviewer, idk. That said, it’s still a little iffy since it’s just fixing grammar and especially pronouns that aren’t really relevant to the code it’s commenting.

I probably would’ve accepted that last one because it fixes stuff in a lot of places rather than one (quantity has a quality of its own), and accepting it will hopefully stop PR spam.

Look, I’m not calling him a transphobe or a misogynist

He may be. Idk.

My criticisms here go to everyone involved:

reviewer shouldn’t rejected the PRs because they’re noisy
submitter shouldn’t just submit a 1-line grammar fix in a comment
github users shouldn’t brigade, discussion should be technical
blog author should be more accurate (see above)

It’s stupid drama all around.

Fixing comments is fine. If you’re going to only fix comments, at least fix a bunch of them at once, and ideally more than just a pronoun or grammar mistake here and there. English isn’t everyone’s first language, so assume the best and don’t waste everyone’s time with useless changes.

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gon@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Sigh, you do have a point.

Maybe this was by a different reviewer, idk.

It was. Some other member of SerenityOS, not the person behind Ladybird (awesomekling).

blog author should be more accurate (see above)

That’s fair. I’ll say though, the blog post is dated from 1 day after the PR was actually merged. It’s not unreasonable to think that, when they wrote it, it really hadn’t been merged and they only saw the initial denial citing the policy.

He may be. Idk.

Yeah, I was just trying to say that that wasn’t the point of my rant. I get it I get it.

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- sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  
  It’s not unreasonable to think that, when they wrote it, it really hadn’t been merged and they only saw the initial denial citing the policy.
  
  That never happened on this PR. The only human reply before the merge (aside from the submitter) was this:
  
  Please fix the commit messages (see BuggieBot’s comment); and maybe this can go in one commit? Doesn’t really need to be 5 separate ones.
  
  And this is BuggieBot’s comment:
  
  Hello!
  
  One or more of the commit messages in this PR do not match the SerenityOS code submission policy, please check the lint_commits CI job for more details on which commits were flagged and why.
  Please do not close this PR and open another, instead modify your commit message(s) with git commit --amend and force push those changes to update this PR.
  
  It’s a completely different.
  
  This, plus the tone of the blog post looks like they were on a crusade instead of trying to accurately portray events.
  
  Sorry to beat a dead horse here, my point is that we all need to be careful jumping to conclusions, especially in FOSS where discussion almost exclusively happens asynchronously in text and with people with different backgrounds. Pretty much everyone involved failed at that.
  
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  - gon@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    And this is BuggieBot’s comment:
    
    Yeah I was referencing that comment.
    
    Sequence of events:
    
    PR trying to change pronouns.
    
    Automated response citing policy.
    
    Author takes note of it for blog post.
    
    PR fixed and merged.
    
    Blog post published.
    
    Precocious, certainly, and I agree it was misguided. The blog post was indeed emotionally motivated, that’s more than clear.
    
    Sorry to beat a dead horse here
    
    It’s alright. I think these discussions need to be had.
    
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    sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Right, but the policy was commit hygiene (lots of small commits), which has nothing to do with the “no politics” policy. It’s right there in the comment, and the suggestion is to squash the commits into one.
    
    It’s alright. I think these discussions need to be had.
    
    Agreed. And unfortunately, I felt it necessary to be really wordy to not come off as supporting intolerance in any way, while still arguing that I would’ve done the same (reject 1-line cosmetic PRs).
    
    This is some kind of correlary to Poe’s Law, or perhaps Godwin’s Law.
    
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