Comment on Labor says Dutton has questions to answer over timing of share purchases

• Whirlybird@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Labor are left wing.

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  • shirro@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    No. They are center. They were way ahead of the coalition on market friendly economic reforms, floating the dollar, abandoning a many tarriffs, reducing subsidies, privatizing the comm bank etc. It wasn’t until Howard that the coalition started to catch up.

    To be fair radical left wing politics has not been competitive in the world. They can’t maintain the economic productivity needed to deliver wealth and quality of life improvements demanded by working people so they always end up in autocracy or revolution. That is why social democracy thrived and why China has a successful mixed system. The problem is maintaining the balance between social policy and capitalist wealth creation. The social policy side is constantly undermined by the ultra rich, lobby groups and the flip flop election cycle and people start to take things like public healthcare and education for granted.

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    • Whirlybird@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      What we call left and right wing are centre-left and centre-right. Neither extreme works, and neither party are extreme. Some, mainly the centre-left, are starting to dabble with extreme opinions - “gender identity” and mass immigration for example - but neither are full “left wing” or “right wing”.

      It’s not just my “conceptualization”, it’s the public perception.

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      • shirro@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Immigration has always been driven by the demands of the business community, not by bleeding heart lefties. We have low unemployment which puts pressure on wages and it is hard to find in demand skills. And we have construction and real estate speculation that is dependent on strong population growth to maintain profits.

        When labour were truly a left wing workers party they backed the White Australia policy to protect the hard won rights of Australian workers which could be undermined by exploitation of immigrant labour. That turned out to be ignorant and wrong headed as immigrant labour aspires to the same conditions and revitalizes unions.

        In every horticultural areas of Australia there are mini-busses of islander labour everywhere flown into the country by government programs to undercut Australian workers, but those guys aren’t immigrants. There used to be another word for it in the old days that I can’t use it now to call it out or I will cop a lot of shit about it.

        Racists (cross-politics) want the immigrant intake to be in their own image but they aren’t opposed to population growth. Environmentalists and sustainability types (generally center left) want lower immigration to put less demand on the environment and infrastructure.

        I don’t think average people care about gender identity either way. Nothing more Aussie than live and let live. They care about their wages, mortgages and paying their bills. Culture wars is manipulative bullshit to try and trick people to vote against their self interest and unfortunately it works.

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      • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Get the fuck off youtube, you’ve got seppo rot brain.

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  • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Labor are right wing centrists.

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    • Whirlybird@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      They’re centre-left at best, and are shifting more left wing as we go with their stance on immigration and social activism.

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      • shirro@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Bullshit.

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      • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        You are fucking delusional. They’re a party of neolibs siding with business over workers.

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