Comment on Hexbear federation megathread

• blackn1ght@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Well yeah, unfortunately when you’re in a war then bloodshed is unavoidable. But it’s not like they invited Russia to invade.

  dominant view on Hexbear it’s that the biggest responsibility for the conflict lies with the US who created the modern Russian state, strung it along, then encircled it and escalated against all advice

  I think their ideology is blinding them into creating such a narrative. Not saying the US doesn’t meddle in other countries but this is really far fetched and just assumes that Russia is blameless and just happens to doing exactly as what the US wants. I don’t think it’s that unrealistic that this is purely Putin on an imperialist conquest attempting to cement himself in history as a great Russian leader. Not everything is about the US. Sometimes other countries have their own agendas.

  then encircled it

  Not 100% sure what this means but I’m guessing it’s in regards to NATO? I don’t think the ex-soviet states needed any US meddling to convince them to join.

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  • MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    But it’s not like they invited Russia to invade.

    That’s not the the case in any war and I’ve given a (admittedly very simple, broad strokes) overview of some of the material conditions that led to the war, even just in Ukraine - particularly the predominantly Russian speaking separatist regions wanting security guarantees after 8 years of being shelled by the Ukrainian coup government and terror attacks by neo-nazi militias that they state either couldn’t or wouldn’t reign in.

    I think their ideology is blinding them into creating such a narrative. Not saying the US doesn’t meddle in other countries but this is really far fetched and just assumes that Russia is blameless

    Hexbear doesn’t have a single ideology. It’s a left unity instance that had a broad range of anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist ideologies.

    Nothing I’ve stated is far fetched, but all documented fact that a cursory reading of post-soviet history would support but if you like and are interested I can provide you some sources and reading?

    No one on Hexbear thinks Russia is blameless. Views on Hexbear range from ‘this war is a travesty’ to ‘this war is a tragedy that could have been avoided by taking dozens of different decisions over the last two decades’. Again, I can give you some further examples and reading if you’re interested. But you claimed Hexbear users blamed Ukraine for the war and I said that “if there is a dominant view on Hexbear it’s that the biggest responsibility for the conflict lies with the US” for contributing most to the material conditions that eventually made a conflict like this sadly inevitable. But that doesn’t get Russia off the hook for also being a capitalist state also waging war and no one has stated that other countries don’t have their own agendas.

    Not 100% sure what this means but I’m guessing it’s in regards to NATO.

    Yes, NATO encirclement is part of it and was warned about by everyone from hawks like Henry Kissinger to former heads of NATO to Joe Biden himself before they went and did it anyway, but there’s also other aspects like the stationing of nuclear weapons, construction of new military bases, as well as coups, proxy wars, and funding destabilising groups on Russia’s borders.

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