The power dynamic just isn’t skewed enough here for that. Ukraine is not exactly a major world power, but Russia’s not exactly looking like a superpower either. Even if the US switching sides is enough for them to plant a flag in Kiev, the simple fact of the matter is that Russia does not have the capacity to occupy a country the size of Ukraine. Planting a flag in Kiev is the EASY part. It only gets harder from there. You only have to look at any war the US has been involved in to see that in action.
That’s not how genocide works. After the population is gone, its easy. Look at what the US and Canada did to North America. Look at what the US is doing right now to Gaza.
That’s not military occupations work. There are tens of millions of people in Ukraine. Even if you could kill them at a rate of 1 per second and they never fought back that would still be decades of killing. North America started with a lower population before white guys showed up and had every plague on the planet hitting the Americas at the same time to do most of the dirty work and it still took centuries. The sheer logistics of trying to kill everyone in Ukraine are just beyond the capacity of Russia to achieve, even if they didn’t resist. And that’s even assuming they lose the war, which got a lot more likely, but still isn’t a given. There just isn’t the political will in Russia to commit to centuries of genocide against serious opposition, no matter how much Putin wants it to be true.
This. Especially Ukraine won’t just roll over anyway, they are still VERY aware of their suffering in the USSR and stuff like the Holodomor. The only thing that would happen is for Ukraine to become another country in a constant state of insurrection and civil war (I’m lacking the english vocabulary to properly describe it, but you get the point).
yozul@beehaw.org 4 days ago
The power dynamic just isn’t skewed enough here for that. Ukraine is not exactly a major world power, but Russia’s not exactly looking like a superpower either. Even if the US switching sides is enough for them to plant a flag in Kiev, the simple fact of the matter is that Russia does not have the capacity to occupy a country the size of Ukraine. Planting a flag in Kiev is the EASY part. It only gets harder from there. You only have to look at any war the US has been involved in to see that in action.
jagged_circle@feddit.nl 4 days ago
That’s not how genocide works. After the population is gone, its easy. Look at what the US and Canada did to North America. Look at what the US is doing right now to Gaza.
yozul@beehaw.org 4 days ago
That’s not military occupations work. There are tens of millions of people in Ukraine. Even if you could kill them at a rate of 1 per second and they never fought back that would still be decades of killing. North America started with a lower population before white guys showed up and had every plague on the planet hitting the Americas at the same time to do most of the dirty work and it still took centuries. The sheer logistics of trying to kill everyone in Ukraine are just beyond the capacity of Russia to achieve, even if they didn’t resist. And that’s even assuming they lose the war, which got a lot more likely, but still isn’t a given. There just isn’t the political will in Russia to commit to centuries of genocide against serious opposition, no matter how much Putin wants it to be true.
jagged_circle@feddit.nl 4 days ago
There were hundreds of millions in North America that were almost completely exterminated.
Biological weapons help.
Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 4 days ago
This. Especially Ukraine won’t just roll over anyway, they are still VERY aware of their suffering in the USSR and stuff like the Holodomor. The only thing that would happen is for Ukraine to become another country in a constant state of insurrection and civil war (I’m lacking the english vocabulary to properly describe it, but you get the point).