There are limits to free speech just like there are limits to other freedoms. For example: “The right to swing my fist ends where the other man’s nose begins.” IOW where harm is done. So the question becomes do messages like this cause harm? IANAL, but I believe that it would qualify as hate speech, which is widely considered to cause harm.
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timewarp@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Sounds like free speech here in the United States. I understand Musk might now be consistent but I do welcome free speech on social media. If you don’t like it then block it & move on. It’s almost like Democrats search for things to get upset about. Really annoying cause free speech used to be something Democrats cared about & now they are pro-censorship & fascist just like Republicans. They thirst for violence against people that say something that offends them.
Murdoc@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
takeda@lemm.ee 1 week ago
It’s also important to distinguish freedom of speech (protected by the first amendment) from free speech (a made up concept meant to bastardize on the former and to allow social media post whatever they want anonymously, like this ad).
timewarp@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Hate speech isn’t a thing in the US & countries that have enacted those pro-fascist “hate speech” laws have since seen alt-right ideologies start growing at unprecedented rates.
There are over 50 years of case law on the subject. We can discuss prominent cases on it if you want, or heck why don’t you sue & claim it is hate speech, send me the docket number and I’ll eat my popcorn.
HarryOru@lemm.ee 6 days ago
I suggest you call the nearest mall and tell them you placed a bomb in there. It’s just free speech, it’s not like you actually put a bomb there, you’re just saying it, so it’s fine. If they don’t like it they just can hang hup and move on. I think it will be a totally fun and safe experience for you to try and that there will be absolutely no consequences for anyone involved, because that’s how free speech works.
Or maybe, I don’t know, you could pick someone you don’t like and start telling people that they’re a pedophile! It doesn’t even have to be true, it’s just free speech. You are free to say whatever you want! And if someone wanted to do the same thing to you, it should absolutely be their right to do so! Free speech for everyone! It’s literally free!
timewarp@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Your example is bad faith, but I assume you know that already. If it isn’t, then I really don’t know if I can explain to someone that lacks mental acuity about over 50 years of case law on the subject. There is even more case law on libel & slander, but it sounds like reading isn’t your forte. However, if you’re capable of reading then I suggest you do so. But go on & pretend to be ignorant, or maybe you really are & if so then come back after you’ve actually read & studied the decisions by the courts and we can discuss what you think they got wrong.
HarryOru@lemm.ee 6 days ago
No, I definitely cannot read. Can write, but can’t really read, sorry. My lack of mental acuity doesn’t help. Libel and slander? Oh my, I wonder what those words mean. Are they, perhaps, social constructs that exist to prevent the consequences of harmful communication? Like… Regulation of speech?? Like… laws? Wait, but isn’t speech supposed to be free??? Why are they taking away our rights like this???
timewarp@lemmy.world 6 days ago
There are multiple differences with libel & slander, but again since you admit you have a lack of mental acuity, I’m not sure it would help explain them to you. By all means, since those are civil matters though sue the people that offend you in court & send me the docker numbers.
AstralPath@lemmy.ca 1 week ago
Here’s some free speech for you:
Fuck you, Nazi-enabler.
timewarp@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Clearly your emotions dictate any logic you might be capable of someday.