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steltek@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

This would have been the accepted action a little over 10 years ago. I think we’ve learned and experienced a lot since then. Just because something is online doesn’t make harmless. Radicalization is a real threat. It’s how we got MAGA, ISIS, etc. Their ideology accepts summary executions in the street.

I was indifferent to defederation before, I don’t leap to trampling the speech of others, but interacting here has opened my eyes. There’s no way they can stay. The popular cliche “If there’s 9 guys and 1 nazi sitting a table, there’s 10 nazis sitting at a table” fits here.

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brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Hexbear is probably the instance furthest from MAGA/Nazis on Lemmy.

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- steltek@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  It was not to compare ideologies but the end result of extremism and radicalization. Words become violent action and a willingness to forego peaceful change.
  
  That said, someone just insulted me by calling me a Liberal so I dunno, feels kinda MAGA-y to me ;).
  
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  - Staines@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    It feels kind of MAGA-y to you because you’re using the American definition of Liberal. Both the American Republican party and Democratic party are ideological liberals. Whom MAGA folk would call “liberal”, we just call “blue-MAGA”.
    
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  - brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    During slavery, being an abolitionist was a radical extremist position; does that mean abolitionists were like MAGA/nazis? During feudalism, being pro-democracy was a radical extremist position, does that mean that anti-monarchists were like MAGA/nazis. During the Nazi reign, being anti-Nazi was a radical extremist position, does that mean that anti-nazis were nazis?
    
    Are you under the impression that MAGA people are the first and only people to disagree with liberals? Marxists have been doing that since long before Trump was born.
    
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    steltek@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    No, those were not radical extremist positions. Anti-Nazi was the default position, it did not start small and grow. For Abolition, that depends on what region you’re referring to but in the US, it was not a radical position. Even prominent slaveholders admitted slavery was bad although it didn’t change their behavior.
    
    I only have the unfortunate experience of encountering MAGA types who revel in using the term as a pejorative. Regardless, hurling personal attacks is unpleasant no matter who’s doing it.
    
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420blazeit69@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Comparing Hexbear to ISIS = civil, polite, rational discussion

Posting a dumb emoji at a mean person = vile, reprehensible, beyond the pale

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- steltek@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I’d call it a strawman but it’s so weak, I don’t think there’s even any straw.
  
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  - Staines@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    I’d call this a debate but it’s weak, I don’t think there’s even anything but bait.
    
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  - 420blazeit69@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    
    It’s how we got MAGA, ISIS, etc. Their ideology accepts summary executions in the street.
    
    What exactly did you mean by this?
    
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