There are hexbear users in this thread calling for your admin (and others) to be executed. That seems pretty bad to me.
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ScrivenerX@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Don’t defederate from hexbear, they aren’t that bad.
They aren’t great, it’s like a bunch of very confident college kids refusing to listen to anything that challenges their beliefs. There is a high percentage of trolls, but it’s the Internet. I’ve seen some shockingly bad takes, like tiananmen square had no casualties, or as highlighted by this thread, criticism of the USSRs well documented atrocities is tantamount to Holocaust denial.
Just ignore them and move on.
steltek@lemm.ee 1 year ago
This would have been the accepted action a little over 10 years ago. I think we’ve learned and experienced a lot since then. Just because something is online doesn’t make harmless. Radicalization is a real threat. It’s how we got MAGA, ISIS, etc. Their ideology accepts summary executions in the street.
I was indifferent to defederation before, I don’t leap to trampling the speech of others, but interacting here has opened my eyes. There’s no way they can stay. The popular cliche “If there’s 9 guys and 1 nazi sitting a table, there’s 10 nazis sitting at a table” fits here.
brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Hexbear is probably the instance furthest from MAGA/Nazis on Lemmy.
steltek@lemm.ee 1 year ago
It was not to compare ideologies but the end result of extremism and radicalization. Words become violent action and a willingness to forego peaceful change.
That said, someone just insulted me by calling me a Liberal so I dunno, feels kinda MAGA-y to me ;).
Staines@hexbear.net 1 year ago
It feels kind of MAGA-y to you because you’re using the American definition of Liberal. Both the American Republican party and Democratic party are ideological liberals. Whom MAGA folk would call “liberal”, we just call “blue-MAGA”.
brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 1 year ago
During slavery, being an abolitionist was a radical extremist position; does that mean abolitionists were like MAGA/nazis? During feudalism, being pro-democracy was a radical extremist position, does that mean that anti-monarchists were like MAGA/nazis. During the Nazi reign, being anti-Nazi was a radical extremist position, does that mean that anti-nazis were nazis?
Are you under the impression that MAGA people are the first and only people to disagree with liberals? Marxists have been doing that since long before Trump was born.
420blazeit69@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Comparing Hexbear to ISIS = civil, polite, rational discussion
Posting a dumb emoji at a mean person = vile, reprehensible, beyond the pale
steltek@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I’d call it a strawman but it’s so weak, I don’t think there’s even any straw.
Staines@hexbear.net 1 year ago
I’d call this a debate but it’s weak, I don’t think there’s even anything but bait.
420blazeit69@hexbear.net 1 year ago
It’s how we got MAGA, ISIS, etc. Their ideology accepts summary executions in the street.
What exactly did you mean by this?
10nica@hexbear.net 1 year ago
[deleted]ScrivenerX@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I see that you linked an opinion article, however you have misrepresented the article and it’s implications alongside my statement.
At no point does the article say if you compare numbers, or mention other atrocities you are denying the Holocaust. It is saying the damage caused by the Holocaust was on a scale that is not analogous to other atrocities and it is possible to attempt to trivialize the Holocaust by turning it into a numbers game. There is much about how Baltic people may use this as a deflection for their own involvement with the Holocaust, but that’s clearly conjecture.
Also I never said to compare Stalin to Hitler, I said mentioning Stalin’s atrocities existence will get you called a Holocaust denier. I’m sure you see that you proved my point.
Staines@hexbear.net 1 year ago
There was no massacre within Tiananmen Square. This isn’t even a controversial statement. Look it up in a source you yourself consider to be neutral.
ScrivenerX@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Let me know what sources you’ll accept, because there is an abundance of evidence about the massacre, including photographs.
The only people contesting this is the Chinese government and fringe groups.
robinn2@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Confidential cable from U.S. gov. embassy in Beijing showing US knew there was no firing in the square
Hou Dejian, one of the leaders of the Tiananmen protests, saying he was in the square all night and saw no one killed](youtu.be/VSR9zgY1QgU)
Clearance of the Tiananmen Square on June 4, 1989
CBS News correspondent: There Was No “Tiananmen Square Massacre”**
** “Constitutively and pathologically unable to simply own up to a past journalistic crime, the propaganda apparatus merely substitutes a new lie for the old one. The official death toll according to the Chinese government is, in fact, a matter of public record: Beijing Municipality has checked and double-checked all the figures from the Martial Law Command, the Public Security Ministry, the Chinese Red Cross, all institutions of higher education, and all major hospitals. These show that 241 people died. They included 23 officers and soldiers from the martial law troops and 218 civilians. The 23 military deaths included 10 from the PLA and 13 from the People’s Armed Police. The 218 civilians (Beijing residents, people from elsewhere, students, and rioters) included 36 students from Beijing universities and 15 people from outside Beijing.” [link]
This was not a “massacre” but a riot in which police and PLA soldiers were killed as well as civilians/rioters, as proven by the peaceful evacuation of the square and degeneration of the situation thereof.
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Staines@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Please, link some of these sources.