Comment on Hexbear federation megathread
Wanderer@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Keeping hexbear is like keeping Nazis on the site.
If you go for freedom of speech and the ideals of fediverse then fine. I’m not against that ideal.
But don’t treat these people different to any other extremist just because they are left and not right.
Keeping hexbear is like keeping Nazis on the site.
This is the sort of respectable, civil discourse we love. Just wholesome comparisons of people from all the groups the Nazis targeted to nazis themselves. Completely reasonable. If we just get rid of those damn hexbears we can have nothing but completely reasonable, normal, civil, non-“extremist” takes like these.
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What is extremism? Large deviation from the status quo. What is the status quo? Well it’s perfectly fine for people to defend the U.S. despite it being the inspiration for Nazi Germany; it’s perfectly fine for people to defend NATO despite its support for Nazis/fascism [1] [2] [3] and its terrorization of the third world; it’s perfectly alright to defend the “democratic” bombing and starvation of Afghans by the U.S.; it’s right in the realm of acceptable opinion to love cops as they kill ~1,000 poor and black people and brutalize their families; it’s respectable to justify sanctions to starve people in Cuba and the DPRK; so on and so forth, these are the realm of acceptable opinion. It is okay to oppose some of these things lightly of course, but total opposition is too extreme, and you are met with the nonsense of “extremes on both sides.” Nevermind that equivocating Nazism with left “extremism” (even in the most drastic cases) is recognized as a form of Holocaust denial, centrism can never be challenged.
You argue Hexbear users should be treated the same as Nazis? Very well, then Hexbear users can roam free and comments saying Hexbear users are bad should be deleted. This is your instance lmao. Get better arguments.
Or, you know, you can be against all of that? One can be against fascists on both the left and right at the same time.
Supporters of Nazis: Extremists
Supporters of dictatorships: Extremists
Supporters of oligarchies: Extremists
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That lead in is an incredibly disingenuous and dangerous thing to claim.
The first people the Nazis killed were communists and labor organizers, comparing the two is disingenuous and disgusting.
Socialism is a single party system. All other parties have to go. That’re core to the philosophy.
you want to ban extremists?
do you want to ban ham radio nerds because of how extremely retro they are?
The guy calling me a nazi is the same guy who can’t even recognize the fascism in the starship troopers book lmao. Maybe sit this one out.
Literally didn’t call anyone a Nazi. You can’t read.
Keeping hexbear is like keeping Nazis on the site.
This is litteraly your previous comment.
yeah…like that story with the Nazi bar
(transcribed from a series of tweets) - @iamragesparkle
I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, “no. get out.”
And the dude next to me says, “hey i’m not doing anything, i’m a paying customer.” and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, “out. now.” and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed
Anyway, I asked what that was about and the bartender was like, “you didn’t see his vest but it was all nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them.”
And i was like, ohok and he continues.
"you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it’s always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don’t want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too.
And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it’s too late because they’re entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down.
And i was like, ‘oh damn.’ and he said “yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people.”
And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven’t forgotten that at all.
420blazeit69@hexbear.net 1 year ago
You are saying the builders of Auschwitz are no different from its liberators.
Silverseren@kbin.social 1 year ago
Really, that's the sort of strawman you're going with? So, because the Soviets were involved in "liberating" the concentration camps, that means that none of the atrocities that the USSR committed afterwards matter because they did that one good thing?
sulfate7016@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Exactly, hexbear is very clear that they are pro lgbtq yet still worship the Soviets which were very anti lgbtq. Doesn’t add up.