removed liberal
I don’t know what word is supposed to be there, but we can’t have called you that because it is literally not allowed by our instance.
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aleph@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I am also still quite worried about the amount of distinct users on hexbear who have posted Kremlin propaganda. I so far don’t have reason to believe that these users are employed by the Russian state, but the fact that they are spreading the same hateful content which can be seen on Russian television seems problematic to say the least, and it remains to be seen if moderators can truly keep up with such content.
This was why my eyebrows raised when I saw the Hexbear admin response when they claim that “Russian disinformation is generally either refuted in comments or removed by mods”. Kremlin propaganda is rife in communities like chapotraphouse, and it certainly seems like the mods there let anything slide as long as it is isn’t outright incitement to violence.
I challenged claims made in a couple of different anti-Ukraine posts and despite the fact there were maybe one or two users whose responses were thoughtful, the vast majority were outright calling me an idiot and a retarded liberal. So far, my impression of HB’s userbase is pretty negative because the posts on there that make the front page here tend to be the more shit-posty ones.
That said, I appreciate @sunaurus for the stance he’s taking. There is some positive and thoughtful content on HB - you just have to block the noisier and more idiotic communities so it doesn’t get drowned out.
GreenTeaRedFlag@hexbear.net 1 year ago
aleph@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I was paraphrasing, but yes you’re right.
On review, the phrase they used was “dumb fuck”.
420blazeit69@hexbear.net 1 year ago
I’ve seen that or worse thrown around on pretty much every internet community I’ve ever seen. The only difference is whether it is popular/ever removed by mods. On literally every internet community I’ve seen or heard of, there are insults that crop up with the same amount of intended impact, even if they are less profane (think of all the snarky comments or outright diatribes you’ve seen about how ignorant or wrong someone is). And profanity is not some exceptional line, either.
oregoncom@hexbear.net 1 year ago
So you use slurs that are banned on our instance and act like we’re the ones not being civil? Real self aware you are.
MrMonkey@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Your instance has replaced
“removed (by the people who moderate this sub)” with “removed liberal”
Which is sad and pathetic.
AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 1 year ago
it certainly seems like the mods there let anything slide as long as it is isn’t outright incitement to violence
Our mods tolerate a lot of things that would get you banned on reddit, such as calling for the death of nazis as long as it’s not what we call “fedposting” (actionable threats of violence that would also work as an FBI honeypot). On the other hand, our moderation team is probably the most hardline one on the entire internet when it comes to punishing transphobia and other queerphobic sentiments, and we do not take kindly to other forms of bigottry on there, either. For example, using the r-slur or other ableist language will reliably get your post deleted. If you have a habit of calling people you disagree with autistic or schizophrenic, you can prepare for getting banned from our instance. We look out for our neurodivergent comrades. Then there’s the entire culture against hornyposting that we have. Hexbear is very different from the rest of the internet when it comes to sexualizing and objectifying people. We’re not a sex-negative instance, but we’re hentai free and don’t want things to get creepy and uncomfortable in our place. We have a fairly elaborate culture of what goes into a content warning, too. We’re most definitely not an “anything goes” free speech absolutist instance. We’re a staunchly leftist, intersectional, antifascist community and we actively fight to keep it that way so that all marginalized people can feel safe around us.
aleph@lemm.ee 1 year ago
That’s fair. When I spoke earlier, I didn’t mean to give the impression that HB is your typical fReE sPeEch zone that permits slurs against minorities.
That said, personal and vitriolic attacks against non-radical leftists who disagree with or challenge the anti-NATO, anti-Ukraine, anti-West status quo in anyway seem to be absolutely okay, as far as I can see. And I say this as someone who considers themself to be a social democrat and agrees with most progressive causes in general.
Civility@hexbear.net 1 year ago
😔
kameecoding@programming.dev 1 year ago
anti-fascists except for the Kremlin propaganda that’s coming from the fascist regime in Russia?
but I guess at least people can’t use the R-word, just heavily insinuate that Ukraine deserves to be invaded and that both side suck in that conflict.
AlexisFR@jlai.lu 1 year ago
Yeah, and Russian propaganda is one thing, but he hasn’t mentioned Chinese PC one, and I noticed a lot of hexbear users being in support of them, which to me, is as much an anathema to the left as the Kremlin is.
GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Is that PC “Parti Communiste”? As an FYI that is admittedly slightly off-topic, the official name in English is the Communist Party of China or CPC. A lot of anglophones call it the CCP to connect it to the USSR (CCCP in Russian) or just because they are repeating what anglophone journos call it uncritically.
AlexisFR@jlai.lu 1 year ago
I initially meant PCC, but yeah the proper one is CPC.
KurtVonnegut@hexbear.net 1 year ago
To be accurate, I don’t think anyone on Hexbear thinks modern-day Russia is a communist, socialist, or leftist state. Generally, we believe Russia is a capitalist state, led by profit-seeking oligarchs, and that Putin is just the leader of those oligarchs. No one on Hexbear actually thinks Putin is personally a good human being. The reason Hexbear appears “pro-Russia” is because we refute the claim that Putin launched the war against Ukraine because he is ontologically evil, a demon, a crazy man who has lost his mind, literally Hitler, etc. We recognize the complexity of the situation Putin was put in and see his launch of the war as a semi-logical response to decades of past history. Would it be better if the war never happened? Yes. But did the war just come out of nowhere? No. It’s complicated. It’s not a Hollywood movie. There are no action heroes.
Also, I don’t think anyone on Hexbear thinks modern-day China is a fully communist or socialist state right now. We are more hopeful that it will BECOME a fully socialist state in the next generation or two than most are. This is mainly because of the long list of actions that Xi has taken that are in line with orthodox Marxist philosophy. For fuck’s sake, Xi has a PhD in Marxism. That is not a joke - the president of China went back to school in his 30s and got a university degree in Marxist studies. Compare that to any US presidential candidate, who probably has never read a single page of Marx. It’s a stark difference. Hundreds of years of European propaganda about “Oriental Despotism” makes many in the west think that China is, by definition, evil. Heaxbear generally believes the situation to be more complex and nuanced. I mean, Obama literally ordered the extrajudicial killing of an American citizen (along with thousands of foreigners in the middle east) and yet most Americans think of the Chinese government as “more authoritarian” than America. Sure, okay. The numbers don’t add up.
But overall I think the discussion on foreign policy can be respectful and productive. Few will be convinced, but the debate can sharpen both sides. I appreciate any instance that has the patience to deal with Hexbear and our neurotic, overly-detailed diatribes!