Comment on USA | California bill would give public university admission priority to slaves' descendants

• xor@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  why deny educational opportunities to people that can’t prove they’re descended from a slave, hundreds of years ago?
  it seems pretty unfair to everyone else, and reduces the quality of students.
  if anything should be based on merit, it’s education….
  or what about slave descendants who aren’t going to college? they don’t deserve reparations? just students?

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  • idiomaddict@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    There are still effects on education from slavery. This is one way to remedy that, but it’s not a complete solution to this problem, let alone sufficient reparations across the board. It doesn’t have to be though.

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    • xor@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      they should get free college, not subtract from other students opportunities

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      • idiomaddict@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        This is separate from tuition assistance, which they may also be eligible for. Unfortunately, the descendants of slaves are not only financially affected, but academically affected. Early interventions like reading to your young children and helping them with homework are reduced for the descendants of enslaved people, likely due to a combination of less favorable working conditions and the reduced academic involvement of their own parents.

        This is an anecdote, but it’s stuck with me: I used to work in a call center and once spoke to a man my father’s age, whose grandparents (like my father’s) were sharecroppers. That man was not literate enough to write down a claim number, so he put his daughter on. I asked (impolitely, but I was too curious), and she explained that the majority of teachers in 1950s and 60s Alabama just didn’t care if a poor black kid learned to read. My father has a master’s degree. There’s no way this man’s daughter was read to as much as I was or given as much academic help as I was. That’s happening on a huge scale, and a lot of people will consider only my father’s merit, not this man’s consistent, overwhelming disadvantage.

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  • originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    What about things that are unfair to descendants of slaves? What do you think about those things?

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    • xor@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      your whataboutism isn’t relevant here.
      ….
      are you inferring that i’m unaware of or unsympathetic to that? i’m not, so very much could be done to help with that, ethically, without like, denying educational opportunities to people who can’t prove that they’re descendants of slaves.
      ….
      i.e. admit people to college based on the content of their character, not by the color of their skin…

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      • originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        This is the argument always used to oppose equity programs. “Why not just use merit instead of skin color” leads to overwhelming discrimination. African American students don’t measure up as highly as white students on tests that have been historically designed with the explicit purpose of discrimination. It’s not a level playing field. How will you determine the content of someone’s character for college admissions? How about we use standardized tests? nea.org/…/racist-beginnings-standardized-testing because those are fucked my guy

        You’re conflating the issue of proving ancestry with merit based admissions, either intentionally or because you don’t realize just how fucked up that is. Every black person in the US is historically an immigrant, just like every non-indigenous person is. Most black Americans’ ancestors did not come here by choice. So when you conflate “use discriminatory standardized tests” with “how is a black American supposed to prove their ancestors were slaves” you’re being extremely racist. Stop complaining about whataboutism and think about the arguments you’re making for more than five seconds. This law is intended to bypass the progress that the right wing has made in making race based admissions standards illegal, not to harm white kids.

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