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• CerealKiller01@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  What “should”? The context of the discussion is the screenshot, and it said "if “Zionism is defeated like the south was defeated in the civil war”. The comparison to the US civil war might be a bit weird, but it’s pretty obvious he means “If Hamas were to win the conflict and treat Israel as it saw fit” (like what happened in the civil war).

  Also, it’s a bit weird for me you’re phrasing your scenario as a “Zionist defeat”, as I know many Zionists (myself included) who would view that as a “Zionist win”, at least in the long run (as long as you’re for equal treatment of Hamas and Palestinians).

  Secondly, I belive Hamas would treat Israeli the same way Israel treats Palestinians.

  That’s a bit funny to me, as I think Hamas treats Palestinians wore than Israel treats Palestinians, but there’s probably no point going into that. Regardless, do you think this would be worse, the same or better than the current situation?

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  • FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Also, it’s a bit weird for me you’re phrasing your scenario as a “Zionist defeat”, as I know many Zionists (myself included) who would view that as a “Zionist win”, at least in the long run

    Try to read again. Slowly.

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    • CerealKiller01@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Counteroffer - try to read what I said with the understanding there might be a difference between what you think “Zionism” is and what Zionism actually is. Not all Zionists would agree with what I said, but then again that’s also one of the thing you probably don’t understand.

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      • FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        understanding there might be a difference between what you think “Zionism” is and what Zionism actually is

        You know, a guy once tried to convinced me that fascism is actually good, it is nazism which is bad to which I replied it is like trying to distinguish which shit is more brown.

        Irrespectivly sweetheart, try to read my posts to find my references to “zionism”. Try slowly. I heard that repeating each word out loud also helps.

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  • Denjin@lemmings.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I think Hamas treats Palestinians wore than Israel treats Palestinians,

    In 12 months, Israel has killed 40,000+ Palestinians, more than a third of those have been children.

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  • medgremlin@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The way that Hamas treats Palestinians is partially the responsibility of Netanyahu and the Likud given that they provided Hamas with material support to take power in the first place. Also, the fact that Israelis stormed an IDF base in protest of the punishment of IDF thugs that anally raped innocent Palestinians to death with rifles tells me a lot about what Israel thinks of all Palestinians, not just the ones that are actually part of Hamas.

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    • CerealKiller01@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      First of all, you didn’t address the main point I was making, or answered my question (just wanted to point that out).

      The way that Hamas treats Palestinians is partially the responsibility of Netanyahu and the Likud given that they provided Hamas with material support to take power in the first place.

      Not really. Netanyahu didn’t provide material support for Hamas, rather allowed Qatar to materially support them (Yet somehow I don’t see anyone condemning Qatar…). Also, this began about a decade after Hamas took over Gaza. And, really, it’s an extremely weak argument even if what you said were true. Saying Israel is partially responsible for the way Hamas treated the people in Gaza doesn’t mean it treated Palestinians worse than Hamas.

      Also, the fact that Israelis stormed an IDF base in protest of the punishment of IDF thugs that anally raped innocent Palestinians to death with rifles

      That’s not what happened. The IDF detained some soldiers who allegedly anally raped and perhaps killed Palestinian detainees as part of an investigation. After hearing that, some extreme right wingers stormed the base in something raging from protest against the way soldiers were detained to the mere fact they were detained (depending on who you ask). The act was condemned by a huge majority of the Israeli public. Judging Israel by that is like judging the US by the proud boys of the Jan 6th Capitol riots. But let’s go back to your point of Israel treating Palestinians worse than Hamas - could you point out an example of Hamas investigating it’s operatives for mistreating detainees? If not, is it because you think Hamas doesn’t mistreat its detainees?

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      • medgremlin@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I thought the point was to be better than Hamas? Of course they mistreat detainees, but that doesn’t mean Israel gets a blank check to do the same. Also, many of the Palestinians currently being held by Israel without charges in indefinite detention are innocent civilians, including many from the West Bank. Israel has been illegally detaining and mistreating thousands upon thousands of Palestinians without any kind of due process or concern for human rights for decades. Pointing a finger at Hamas and saying “Look! They’re doing it too!! October 7th!!1!!” is not a valid argument for how Israel has been treating captive Palestinians for years.

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      • FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        That’s not what happened. The IDF detained some soldiers who allegedly anally raped and perhaps killed Palestinian detainees as part of an investigation

        Of course, sweetheart, what a wonderful example of IDF being just. You know that Nazis arrested and shoot some concentration camp guards, and even officers in charge?

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