Comment on Norway is mulling building a fence on its border with Russia, following Finland's example
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 month agoIt’s a bit of a silly thought that because you can have a six meter tall ladder a five meter fence wouldn’t help in stopping people. Of course it helps and that’s the supposed function, help not stop everyone.
I don’t know what you know about Norwegian-Russian border but the fence is supposed to be part of the other things you mentioned.
sonori@beehaw.org 1 month ago
How does any easily cut through or driven over fence help at all, much less justify the significant expense? It doesn’t help stop people, or even particularly slow them down. You’re still relying on guards actually responding and getting out to meet them, now just with higher maintenance costs because there is a hole dozens of kilometers from anything else.
red@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
Here’s something for you to think about when making these silly drive over the fence remarks:
sonori@beehaw.org 1 month ago
Neglecting the silliness of assuming that we were talking about where the road crosses the border, or alternatively showing a map where the Russian road parallels the border for sections and meaning it to show that no vehicle could even drive near to the border, surely what you said about the guards always knowing when someone is coming from kilometers away and being ready to meet them makes the case for a fence over the whole length worse, as it is evidently is and has not been needed for that purpose?
red@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
The point of mentioning the road crossing points were that those places are reinforced, and yeah, it’s silliness to attempt it there, leaving no possible places to take a truck over the border due difficulty terrain - we’re talking about migrants here, not soldiers.
They aren’t using vehicles, the russians provided migrants bicycles to get to the crossing points when they had the “flood our border with immigrants” operation active some months ago.
That leaves us with one large issue to cover: people traversing the foresty areas by foor, attempting to slip in undetected. That’s where the fence comes in - they can obviously get over it, but it’s a slowing measure. The fence also contains alarm systems and surveillance, so that our border patrol can then pinpoint where they are needed ASAP.
The border patrol people themselves wanted this, and it’s been working well.
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 month ago
How would the fence be worse?
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 month ago
“How does making things harder help at all”. Gee, I wonder.
Well obviously, but now you also have a barrier to slow them down so those guards have more time to get there and make sure less people manage to get through. Again, the fence isn’t supposed to work alone but to compliment the other ways of stopping them/slowing them. You’re talking as if they’ve scrapped the border guards in favour of this instead of using this to make their work easier.
sonori@beehaw.org 1 month ago
Again fences are like cheap locks, they are creating a social barrier to tell people not to pass, not a way of significantly reducing the speed at which someone who wants to will take in doing so.
How many seconds do you think it takes a truck to drive through one, or prop a ladder up against one? What else, like anything else, could be built or funded with the cost of building these expensive signs?
If your going to spend massive amounts of money on securing a border, at least spend it on the things that actually have an impact, like more patrols and guard posts, not on expensive signposting.
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Norwegian, Finnish and Polish border forces seem to disagree with your estimate on border fences and seem to think as them as valuable tools. Those are the ones who have had to deal with this migrant issue.